Re: [LAU] Ardour3

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Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 1:26 am

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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:

>

This seems to be one of the more sensible contributions here. The argument
seems to be getting reduced to two kinds of people - those who are savvy
enough or have enough time to SVN build with a full debugging toolkit and
apparently morons who would use a bleeding edge package and be incapable of
differentiating it from a finished product - which is at best a false
dichotomy and at worst a not so veiled insult to those who fit neither
category.

I really dig ardour and I have faith that A3 will be a fantastic piece of
software. I paid a subscription (though it recently lapsed) as much to use
ardour2.x as in anticipation and support of ardour3.x. My anticipation comes
equally from the fact that I've tried it out, and that Paul has been
releasing teasers and responses to bugs in A2.x that it's all coming in A3 -
some day! That's cool, I'm a patient guy, and really, I don't have an
overpowering sense of entitlement in this situation. I get it that A3 is so
far from finished (and was a little surprised at the CDM article that seemed
to declare it almost done). But I, and I suspect many others, check in from
time to time to see the state of things.

I totally see Paul's concern, especially if mailing lists and forums get
littered with a trail of bug reports that should be in mantis, potentially
tainting the public image of a future product that is also potentially
Paul's future livelihood. But the implication that my building A3 from svn
will give some deeper understanding of the fluxness of things than if I
choose to install a package because I have a spare fifteen minutes on a
Sunday and want to check out the progress of software that I have a great
desire to see succeed, is quite frankly, absurd.

All that being said, merry Christmas or happy holidays or bah humbug,
whichever suits.

-Michael, from that subset of linux users that enjoys trying bleeding edge
packages of many different software projects and doesn't cry if he gets cut
from time to time.

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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail=
.com
> wrote:

As for me I don't even ask _questions_ about A3. Gentoo pro-audio has
an ebuild. I build it and play with it. I won't depend on it until 6
months after you say it's ready. In the meantime it's just somethin=
g
for me to play with.
This seems to be one of the more sensible contributi=
ons here. The argument seems to be getting reduced to two kinds of people -=
those who are savvy enough or have enough time to SVN build with a full de=
bugging toolkit and apparently morons who would use a bleeding edge package=
and be incapable of differentiating it from a finished product - which is =
at best a false dichotomy and at worst a not so veiled insult to those who =
fit neither category.
I really dig ardour and I have faith that A3 will be a fantastic piece =
of software. I paid a subscription (though it recently lapsed) as much to u=
se ardour2.x as in anticipation and support of ardour3.x. My anticipation c=
omes equally from the fact that I've tried it out, and that Paul has be=
en releasing teasers and responses to bugs in A2.x that it's all coming=
in A3 - some day! That's cool, I'm a patient guy, and really, I do=
n't have an overpowering sense of entitlement in this situation. I get =
it that A3 is so far from finished (and was a little surprised at the CDM a=
rticle that seemed to declare it almost done). But I, and I suspect many ot=
hers, check in from time to time to see the state of things.
I totally see Paul's concern, especially if mailing lists and forum=
s get littered with a trail of bug reports that should be in mantis, potent=
ially tainting the public image of a future product that is also potentiall=
y Paul's future livelihood. But the implication that my building A3 fro=
m svn will give some deeper understanding of the fluxness of things than if=
I choose to install a package because I have a spare fifteen minutes on a =
Sunday and want to check out the progress of software that I have a great d=
esire to see succeed, is quite frankly, absurd.
All that being said, merry Christmas or happy holidays or bah humbug, w=
hichever suits.-Michael, from that subset of linux users that enjoy=
s trying bleeding edge packages of many different software projects and doe=
sn't cry if he gets cut from time to time.

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[LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Mon Dec 20, 5:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Mon Dec 20, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Mon Dec 20, 6:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Mon Dec 20, 6:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ray Rashif, (Tue Dec 21, 12:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Harry Van Haaren, (Tue Dec 21, 1:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ng Oon-Ee, (Tue Dec 21, 2:46 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Tue Dec 21, 2:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, drew Roberts, (Tue Dec 21, 1:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Tue Dec 21, 1:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, torbenh, (Tue Dec 21, 5:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ray Rashif, (Tue Dec 21, 3:44 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Tue Dec 21, 3:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Rick Green, (Tue Dec 21, 4:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Tue Dec 21, 5:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Thu Dec 23, 4:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, hermann, (Tue Dec 21, 6:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Tue Dec 21, 11:46 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ken Restivo, (Tue Dec 21, 8:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, fred, (Tue Dec 21, 11:56 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Dec 21, 8:41 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Raffaele Morelli, (Tue Dec 21, 8:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Arve Barsnes, (Tue Dec 21, 12:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Thomas Vecchione, (Tue Dec 21, 1:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Tue Dec 21, 11:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ray Rashif, (Tue Dec 21, 4:24 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Tue Dec 21, 1:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Dieter Plaetinck, (Mon Dec 20, 6:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Mon Dec 20, 6:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Dieter Plaetinck, (Mon Dec 20, 6:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, R. Mattes, (Mon Dec 20, 7:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Mon Dec 20, 7:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Thomas Vecchione, (Tue Dec 21, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Philipp Überbacher, (Tue Dec 21, 1:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Thomas Vecchione, (Thu Dec 23, 6:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Dave Phillips, (Tue Dec 21, 2:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, , (Tue Dec 21, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Dave Phillips, (Tue Dec 21, 6:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Renato Budinich, (Tue Dec 21, 5:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Jeremy Jongepier, (Tue Dec 21, 2:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Tue Dec 21, 2:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Tue Dec 21, 2:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Tue Dec 21, 2:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Tue Dec 21, 2:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Dave Phillips, (Tue Dec 21, 3:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Philipp Überbacher, (Tue Dec 21, 3:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Tue Dec 21, 4:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ken Restivo, (Tue Dec 21, 6:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Tue Dec 21, 7:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, drew Roberts, (Wed Dec 22, 12:12 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, fred, (Tue Dec 21, 7:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Mark Knecht, (Tue Dec 21, 7:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, michael noble, (Wed Dec 22, 1:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Wed Dec 22, 2:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ng Oon-Ee, (Wed Dec 22, 4:08 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Mark Knecht, (Wed Dec 22, 1:46 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, drew Roberts, (Wed Dec 22, 12:15 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, fred, (Wed Dec 22, 7:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Louigi Verona, (Wed Dec 22, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ng Oon-Ee, (Wed Dec 22, 9:40 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, michael noble, (Wed Dec 22, 8:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Tue Dec 21, 3:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Jeremy Jongepier, (Tue Dec 21, 2:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Jonathan Gazeley, (Tue Dec 21, 4:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Mon Dec 20, 7:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Mon Dec 20, 7:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ken Restivo, (Tue Dec 21, 1:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Tue Dec 21, 2:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Renato, (Mon Dec 20, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, paul feitzinger, (Mon Dec 20, 10:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Renato, (Mon Dec 20, 10:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Ng Oon-Ee, (Tue Dec 21, 1:02 am)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Fabio, (Mon Dec 20, 6:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Mon Dec 20, 6:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Paul Davis, (Mon Dec 20, 6:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Ardour3, Bernardo Barros, (Mon Dec 20, 6:19 pm)