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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:46:20 -0500

Paul Davis  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Dieter Plaetinck

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>  wrote:

>

> > the ardour3-svn pgkbuild in AUR is basically nothing more then a

> > simple script which saves users who want to run from svn some

> > typing work. this is not an official package or whatever.

> > users who use this know that it is not supported by Arch and

> > obviously, that it builds from svn.  what should probably be added

> > is a clear disclaimer "do not ask upstream for support on this

> > unless you know how to debug" or something like that.

> > Removing the pkgbuild (and hence just making it harder to run from

> > svn) doesn't solve the core problem.  a warning like the one above

> > does.

>

> but that's not the core problem. the core problem, from my

> perspective, is that svn evolves by the hour at the moment. when you

> release something that looks like a package (even if it doesn't walk

> like a package), people (users) tend to think that something

> significant has happened, when it has not. they don't realize that if

> they really want to try it out and then they run into problems that an

> update & a rebuild comes first. they thus easily conclude that its

> broken and that there is no way to know when it will be fixed, when

> the answer maybe that it was fixed 3 hours ago. this is the danger of

> "packaging" svn for any active project. people avoid SVN updates to

> avoid breakage, and thus they avoid the fixes too.

Paul,

I think you're making a lot of assumptions here.  the aur is a pretty

clearly understood concept within the Arch community.  Users who use svn

pgkbuilds from AUR are not really different from other users who build

from svn.  I don't see why behavior (frequency of updating, whether the

mailing lists are checked or not) would necessarily be worse amongst

AUR svn users then other folks who build ardour from svn.

In fact, I think just *because* they have a pkgbuild, it actually

becomes easier to update the package.  People who do things manually

are the ones who don't like doing it all over again.
But really, I don't get why you care so much about how frequent Arch

users update their svn packages.  You don't want to support people who

build ardour3 from svn and who don't know how to provide valuable

feedback, that is fine.  As long as we tell folks that clearly, we're

good.  I don't see why we would need to prevent users building from

svn, it's not like they harm anyone by doing so (provided we put that

clear warning in)
Dieter
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