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may be cutting about 10dB.Martin
> Date: Mon=2C 25 Jan 2010 00:22:24 -0600
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Don't overlook the pushbuttons on each of the rack-mount unit's inputs that=
may be cutting about 10dB.Martin>=3B Date: Mon=2C 25 Jan=
2010 00:22:24 -0600>=3B From: ectropic.harmony@gmail.com>=3B T=
o: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>=3B Subject: Re: [LAU] Quest=
ions on New Recording Gear>=3B >=3B I haven't had a chance to t=
est the entire set-up of multiple>=3B connections just yet (see messa=
ge below for what I'm thinking about>=3B trying=2C I don't know if it=
'll work) but I have managed to get a basic>=3B recording going with =
mics into mixer into delta interface into>=3B computer.>=3B >=3B One issue right now ->=3B >=3B Levels.>=3B &g=
t=3B Really low levels.>=3B >=3B I've adjusted the levels on th=
e mixer=2C in the envy24 control=2C and in>=3B Ardour... and it's lik=
e I have to max things out just to get a decent>=3B volume.>=3B=
>=3B What's the trick getting rock solid levels during recording and=
>=3B playback both without having to max things out? :-\>=3B >=3B Thanks!>=3B >=3B -"E.H.">=3B >=3B >=
=3B On Fri=2C Jan 22=2C 2010 at 3:21 PM=2C Ectropic Harmony>=3B <=
=3Bectropic.harmony@gmail.com>=3B wrote:>=3B >=3B Okay=2C I'd lik=
e to try this arrangement with the>=3B >=3B cables/patch-bays/etc.=
=2C though I currently need monitor speakers and>=3B >=3B am just u=
sing headphones->=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From sources to mixer:>=3B >=3B 1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4>=3B >=3B 2.=
1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5>=3B >=
=3B 3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6>=
=3B >=3B 4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&=3BR) of elec.drumset) in=
to Mackie strip "9-10">=3B >=3B (Also hooking elec.drumset's MIDI u=
p to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)>=3B >=3B (Also hooking up USB/M=
IDI keyboard/controller to computer)>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From=
mixer to digital recording system:>=3B >=3B 5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie=
Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4>=3B >=3B 6. 1 TRS (from Mac=
kie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5>=3B >=3B 7. 1 TRS (from Mackie=
Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6>=3B >=3B 8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie S=
ub Outs 1-2=2C with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From digital recording system to mixer:>=3B >=3B 9.=
2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "13-14"=2C with "L/R" enabl=
ed>=3B >=3B 10. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 3-4) into Mackie strip "15-=
16"=2C with "L/R" enabled>=3B >=3B 11. 1 TRS (from Delta out 5) int=
o Mackie strip 7=2C with "L/R" enabled>=3B >=3B 12. 1 TRS (from Del=
ta out 6) into Mackie strip 8=2C with "L/R" enabled>=3B >=3B 13. 2 =
TRSs (from Delta outs 7-8) into Mackie strip "11-12"=2C with "L/R" enabled<=
br>>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From mixer to PA:>=3B >=3B 14. 2 =
TRSs (from Mackie Main Outs L&=3BR) into PA channels 1 &=3B 2>=
=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From PA to speakers:>=3B >=3B 15. 2 TRS=
s (from the 2 PA Outs) into 2 monitor speakers>=3B >=3B>=3B &=
gt=3B I don't know... would that set-up work?>=3B >=3B>=3B &g=
t=3B My hunch is using the PA is overkill in a home recording situation=2C<=
br>>=3B >=3B though perhaps appropriate in a live setting. It has 4 cha=
nnels=2C so>=3B >=3B that opens up an additional 2 free channels fo=
r 1 more stereo source.>=3B >=3B Right?>=3B >=3B>=3B =
>=3B Well=2C that's my attempt at using every single strip on the mixer. =
=3B) I>=3B >=3B hope I didn't totally mutilate the patching order.<=
br>>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B Here's my attempt at a more immediate set=
-up for home recording and>=3B >=3B monitoring via headphones:&=
gt=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From sources to mixer:>=3B >=3B 1. 4 =
XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4>=3B >=3B 2. 1 Line In (from guit=
ar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5>=3B >=3B 3. 1 Line In (from =
another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6>=3B >=3B 4. 2 Line Ins =
(from "Master Out" (L&=3BR) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip "9-10">=3B >=3B (Also hooking up elec.drumset's MIDI to the Delta 1010 dig.r=
ec.system)>=3B >=3B (Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller t=
o computer)>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From mixer to digital recordi=
ng system:>=3B >=3B 5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into De=
lta inputs 1-4>=3B >=3B 6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into De=
lta input 5>=3B >=3B 7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta=
input 6>=3B >=3B 8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2=2C with "1-2"=
enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From digi=
tal recording system to mixer:>=3B >=3B 9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs =
1-2) into Mackie strip "15-16"=2C with "L/R" enabled>=3B >=3B (Usin=
g the Delta Outs 1-2 as Main Mix)>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B From mi=
xer to headphones:>=3B >=3B 10. Enable "Main Mix 'Source'" on Macki=
e &=3B adjust phones volume w/>=3B >=3B phones in phones port "A=
" on the Mackie>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B I do plan on getting moni=
tor speakers=2C and I do have normal computer>=3B >=3B speakers (Ha=
rmon-Kardon "2.1"=2C not sure how I could implement those in>=3B >=
=3B this set-up) but I'll need to otherwise make do with headphones for=
>=3B >=3B now.>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B I'd like to be able to=
use the 6 extra Delta Outs=2C the Mackie's subs>=3B >=3B 3-4=2C al=
l of the extra Sub Outs on the back of the Mackie=2C the>=3B >=3B r=
emaining two Direct outs (7 &=3B 8) on the Mackie=2C the remaining Ins o=
n>=3B >=3B the Mackie (7=2C 8=2C 11-12=2C &=3B 13-14)=2C and of =
course the Aux features>=3B >=3B would be auxsome... I mean awesome=
. All in due time. :)>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B Anyway=2C did I do =
anything wrong with the patch set-ups above=2C in>=3B >=3B particul=
ar the 2nd one - with 10 steps - that ends up monitoring via>=3B >=
=3B headphones?>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B Thanks!>=3B >=3B<=
br>>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B On Mon=2C Jan 18=2C 2010 at 11:23 AM=2C S=
cott Ecker <=3Blau@troutpocket.org>=3B wrote:>=3B >=3B>=3B Ec=
tropic Harmony wrote:>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B I've recently started ad=
ding new gear to my studio=2C which isn't much...>=3B >=3B>=3B>=
=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Here's the list...>=3B >=3B>=3B&=
gt=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Instruments:>=3B >=3B>=3B>=
=3B Acoustic &=3B electric guitars>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Bass gui=
tar>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Electronic drumset (a very nice Roland=2C =
MIDI but also has direct>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B outs/main outs (1/4" =
TRS))>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B USB/MIDI keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 49)=
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Various other instruments=2C percussion=2C winds=
=2C strings>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Misc.=
gear:>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Amps (combos=2C i.e. Marshall=2C TubeWo=
rks)>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Power amp (not currently using this=2C it=
's a 4 channel PA)>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B>=
=3B Recording gear:>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B 4 mics (AT2020s)>=3B=
>=3B>=3B>=3B Mixer (Mackie 1642-VLZ3=2C 16 channel 4 bus analog mixe=
r)>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Digital audio interface (M-Audio Delta 1010=
)>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Computer (64-bit quad core 2.6GHz CPU=2C 4GB=
RAM=2C 3TB space=3B running>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Ubuntu Studio 9.1=
0)>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B The new equipm=
ent is the recording gear - specifically the Mackie>=3B >=3B>=3B&=
gt=3B mixer=2C the Delta 1010 audio interface=2C and the mics.>=3B &g=
t=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B This isn't t=
oo unlike my setup=2C except that I have an acoustic drum>=3B >=3B&=
gt=3B kit.  =3BThe keys to successful acoustic recording (IMO):>=
=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B 1. Good microphones.>=3B >=
=3B>=3B 2. Good cables.>=3B >=3B>=3B 3. Good mixer.>=3B &=
gt=3B>=3B 4. Good room.>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B The=
rest of it comes down to mic placement=2C and the quality of the>=3B=
>=3B>=3B musicians themselves.  =3BThe difference between the chea=
p and modestly>=3B >=3B>=3B priced components above will manifest=
itself in hiss and line noise.>=3B >=3B>=3B Every step in the ch=
ain must be good (or better) quality to get a smooth>=3B >=3B>=3B=
recording.>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B My setup is tubes=
and acoustics all the way to my DAW.  =3BArdour is>=3B >=3B>=
=3B amazing and does everything I need to record 12+ tracks simultaneously.=
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