Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

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To: pete shorthose <zenadsl6252@...>
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Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009 - 11:36 am

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pete shorthose schrieb:

>> To have a handfull presets, that demonstrate, how an app works, ist

Good musicians should have an interest in sound design. Remember that
hundreds if not thousends of recordings are released every given day so
the air is very thin for those, that want to be heared.

So I guess, musicians, that are not only gifted composers and talented
players but take care also for a very individual, new, original sound,
have a better chance to prevail...
And listeners, that spend their valuable time listening let alone spend
money on buying records, are quite picky as well. At least I am as a
listener: be it Antony and the Johnsons, PJ Harvey, Rose Kemp, Mogwai or
Mastodon - all of those, I spend time and money this year are extremely
careful when it comes to sound design.

> and this is even though the only negative consequence of an abundance

Why the rant? Because I was not clear enough I guess. Of course a great
musician can play great music using a preset, but many preset-users do not.

>

OK...

> in fact, the violin is analogous to the preset, not to the underlying virtual

...but Can you name any combination of a virtual instrument and a
controlling interface, that comes close to the endless opportunities a
violin has to offer?
Such an instrument would be the same as hard to play as a real violin
and nobody would really see it as the same kind of thing like an average
violin-preset that comes with a sampler. Such a "preset" I would
consider a real instrument...

>

This I agree - its the user, that matters.
But some apps are advertised like this: "Click your hit now! No
capabilities needed on your side!" It is the same as "Click your own
homepage now! No programming knowledge needed!" Both tend strongly to
produce the same level of quality.

> i dont think many people seriously believe you should be able to program a synth before you can use it.

I really heared young guitarists lament, that they still have to tune
their guitar by hand - and many never learn to tune their instruments by
hearing. It makes them depend on "desperately needing" a tuner.

Again: I do not condemn presets alltogether. I find them very useful as
a starting point to work with a complex instrument. They are a essential
part of the documentation for any virtual instrument or fx-processor.

But any *specific* preset is NOT needed to make music with a software.
And if one plays in a band and uses virtual synths, what will he/she do,
if his/her bandmates say: "this bass-sound is quite OK but it should be
more brilliant and get mot punch over time" Will he/she switch presets
until hopefully the right sound is found? I would prefer to work with a
musician, that has enough love for his/her sound to know how to work
with filters and envelopes.

> the only reason i'm bitching about this is because a lack of presets excludes

As said before: there should be presets, we need them indeed to make the
software more usable. I never found a ready to run preset for CLAM so I
do not use it, it is more or less the same with PD and Csound. A
software should offer some sounds out of the box and opening a file from
usr/share/appname/demos/ (as with ams) should be enough to get some
noise. These presets do not need to be particular useful in a music
production but they should demonstrate the capabilies of the software to
easily enable the user to build his/her own custom, perfect sound with
as much ease as possible.

best regards

HZN
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