Re: [LAU] What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

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My personal experience is that I've been able to create and record more
music, by a factor of about one thousand, using FOSS/Linux tools than with
commercial apps. Also, the music I've made is stranger and richer, which I
like.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:56 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote:

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My personal experience is that I've been able to create and record more=
music, by a factor of about one thousand, using FOSS/Linux tools than with=
commercial apps. =A0Also, the music I've made is stranger and richer, =
which I like.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Thorsten Wil=
ms <t_w_@freenet.de=
> wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:56 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote:

> I have to admit complete ignorance here, but what is it about Live

My knowledge is based on reading about it in magazines early on and much
later using the trial version for a bit.

When it came out, using software for live performance was seen as novel
idea (there might have been an "underground" scene thinking
differently).

The minimalistic graphics optimized for clearness were a revelation.
Dialogs are avoided, it's all in one window.

AFAIK it allows tempo changes and immediately stretches/shrinks all
audio to fit. Sony Acid might have been earlier with that.
You can also add markers on clips and then move these markers and the
material between markers will be stretched/shrunken to accommodate. The
version I tried would do so "only" linearly :)

I think the central new concept was having a matrix view, where you have
columns for tracks/instruments and rows for "Scenes".
Have a look at:
http://digisound.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/3-big-rocker.=
jpg

All those rectangles with play symbols are patterns.
If you look down the "Master" column, it should become clear what=
scenes
are about. Note that you can trigger any of the patterns any time.
There's a sync feature that can make sure patterns will be started on
the beat/next-measure.

There's also a "traditional" arrangement view:
http://www.kaosaudio.com/images/software/able=
ton-live-7-le-arrangement.png

Nowadays there's a collection of deeply integrated synth "plugins&=
quot;.

GUI-wise, you could always add such a matrix to an existing
DAW/sequencer (not a small project, of course). But you need a backend
that can play any pattern any time, with a sync-to-beat trigger feature.
And live time stretching.

So, none of the linux audio apps comes even close.
A set of separate tools can never be a replacement (except with a
not-seen-before sophisticated level of optional integration, perhaps).

People can talk about the real or perceived shortcomings of linux audio
tools all day. Doesn't change a thing. The vague and sometimes silly
comparisons and the very foggy ideas what some commercial apps actually
offer are damn frustrating. Would surprise me to read something *new*.

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