Re: [LAU] What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware)

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Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 - 11:26 am

On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 20:09 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

> > But you need a backend

> This is a useful comparison. IMO we don't need to implement the second

Sure. Just leave one essential feature out.

> Several apps are closer than you are suggesting. What we need is

Explain which apps are closer than I would be suggesting. List which of
the features I mentioned are present or lacking for each one.
Or let it become clear your statement has no basis.

Momentum? How about a direction, first?

> > A set of separate tools can never be a replacement (except with a

> I believe this is where the thread is going already.

Outline how a set of specialized applications would offer an experience
similar to that of AL.
A few issues I see:
- Window management hassle
- Need for global save/restore
- Friction do to differences in interface/interaction design

> > People can talk about the real or perceived shortcomings of linux audio

> Often progress only happens in very small increments.

Adding zero is no increment.

Supporting development (by own effort or financially) of:
- Qtractor to reach its goal (I guess Rui is very content with how
things go, though, and why shouldn't he?)
- Addition of per-pattern play and a track/scene matrix to Ardour (if
Paul agrees generally and on specifics)
- Development of a backend that offers a set of features containing
those outlined earlier, to then continue with adjusting one or the other
existing app or writing a new frontend.

would be somewhat realistic courses of action, IMO.

Breaking out of the conceptual limitations of Hydrogen, LMMS,
Sooperlooper much less so. In all those cases I think what's lacking
weights much more than what is present. I mean this solely in the
context of AL-likeness.

> > The vague and sometimes silly

> Charming. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

Oh, excuse me for calling out on the obvious fact that some here don't
even know the applications they are comparing (and thus can't actually
gain any insight from the comparisons).

Is Foo more like Bar or like Lorem?
It has this Ipsum-ness about it, so it's more like Lorem.
Suddenly we are all wiser!

But yes, I do. She generally likes a based-on-reality, goal-driven,
no-frills approach and acts acordingly ;p

--
Thorsten Wilms

thorwil's design for free software:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/

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Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware), Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Sep 1, 10:41 pm)
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Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware), Nedko Arnaudov, (Wed Sep 2, 11:25 am)
Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware), Nedko Arnaudov, (Wed Sep 2, 12:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] off topic (was: Re: ableton live in vmware), Brett McCoy, (Tue Sep 1, 12:56 am)
Re: [LAU] What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware), Robbert Latumahina, (Tue Sep 1, 10:40 am)
Re: [LAU] What Live is about (was: Re: ableton live in vmware), Thorsten Wilms, (Tue Sep 1, 11:26 am)
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