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David Olofson wrote:

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> On Sunday 02 December 2007, david wrote:

> [...]

>> David Olofson wrote:

>>

>>>> What is thicker?

>>> Now, that is probably very subjective, but in general, it would be

>>> a sound with more information in it. For example, some sounds are

>>> improved by adding slightly detuned oscillators in large numbers.

>>> (Well, most sounds, if you're into "organic" or analog/acoustic

>>> feel sounds in general.)

>> I recently discovered that the Yamaha PSR-740 has both a "Sine Wave"

>> voice and a "Thick Sine" voice. There is a big difference between

>> the two, yet you can tell that they're both using sine waves. So

>> that's my empirical experience of what is "thicker".

>

> I'd guess one of them is pretty close to a perfect sine whereas the

> other - obviously - is not.

My guess is they're doing the same thing that Dr Moog did with his

synthesizers - use three detuned oscillators to produce waves that are a

bit spread along the frequency range. If I visualize a pure sine wave on

an oscilliscope, I think of it as a thin line cutting through the zero

line. I visualize a Moog sine wave as three lines cutting through the

zero line, each at slightly different times because each has a slightly

different frequency. (Of course, each of them is produced by analog

electronics, each may have it's own minor variations over time as it

produces the wave, so each doesn't have the rigid precision that waves

produced by digital formulas have.
> Why not record and FFT them? If you can hear a difference in timbre,

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> the FFT spectrum should tell you why. If you can hit an FFT bin dead

> center, you should get a single peak with a pure sine, and various

> extra peaks with other waveforms.

That would be a good idea. I'll have to try that with our sound guy this

Sunday - record a bit of the "Sine Wave" voice and a bit of the "Thick

Sine" voice and see what they look like. He normally converts tracks to

MP3 to share them, but I can have him keep them as WAV files for this.
Thanks.
--

David

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