Re: [LAU] Hardware synths

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Date: Sunday, December 2, 2007 - 12:11 am

On Sunday 02 December 2007, bradley newton haug wrote:

Well, personally, I'm just concerned with the truth - what really is
better. (Not that I care much, though, as long as what I'm using is
sufficient for my purposes.)

Besides, I don't really see any relevant difference between hardware
synths and softsynths (unless you go into analog and hybrid designs),
so I don't really have a side to defend. I even have an FPGA
development board with a 24 bit CODEC on it lying around, that I
intend to play around with some time. :-)

> When I said a/b I had meant to point out that there is little

Yeah, I figured, but it's hard to do in real life, unless you're just
comparing dry sample playback or similar.

> What is 'better' anyway?

Whatever sounds most "right" for the job, I guess...

A modular synth with absolutely clean, mathematically correct output
would of course be the ideal; then you could just implement whatever
artifacts you may want explicitly - but realistically, trade-offs
will have to be made, for performance reasons. (Though the need for
that diminishes as we get access to more powerfull hardware.) In that
light, it depends entirely on what you're doing. Different sounds
mask different artifacts, so unless you have a single perfect tool,
you need to use the right tool for the job.

> What is thicker?

Now, that is probably very subjective, but in general, it would be a
sound with more information in it. For example, some sounds are
improved by adding slightly detuned oscillators in large numbers.
(Well, most sounds, if you're into "organic" or analog/acoustic feel
sounds in general.)

> Cognitive dissonance justifying your recent purchase?

Maybe, but to me, it's more like "What!? Audible distortion...? I
shouldn't get that from a machine this expensive!"

If I can't tell the difference, I can't tell the difference, and
that's that. Or, so I believe. :-D

> if you've ever seen (or are) a professional audio engineer go up

:-D

> equipment doesn't matter. the sound matters.

Indeed. And I believe the sound (good or bad) has more to do with the
operator than most are willing to admit.

> I'm working on my first album since my stint in Faith & Disease

Well, this is how I see it, somewhat simplified: There's a feedback
loop through the whole system, including your ears. If it sounds
perfect to you, that's as good as it gets, regardless of tools used.
If not, you have to work around the limitations of your tools, or use
different tools - or just decide that it's "good enough".

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[LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Fri Nov 30, 11:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sun Dec 2, 3:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Gordon JC Pearce, (Wed Dec 5, 11:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Miguel M, (Thu Dec 6, 12:00 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Folderol, (Thu Dec 6, 7:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Erik de Castro Lopo, (Wed Dec 5, 11:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Ken Restivo, (Thu Dec 6, 4:43 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Folderol, (Thu Dec 6, 9:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Ken Restivo, (Fri Dec 7, 3:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Folderol, (Fri Dec 7, 10:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), drew Roberts, (Fri Dec 7, 10:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Folderol, (Fri Dec 7, 11:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), drew Roberts, (Sat Dec 8, 1:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Folderol, (Fri Dec 7, 11:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Simon Williams, (Fri Dec 7, 1:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Folderol, (Fri Dec 7, 10:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), thomas fisher, (Thu Dec 6, 7:11 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths (This is the snippet), Miguel M, (Wed Dec 5, 11:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Mon Dec 3, 11:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Dec 4, 11:21 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Michal Seta, (Tue Dec 4, 5:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Wed Dec 5, 3:40 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Ken Restivo, (Wed Dec 5, 2:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Wed Dec 5, 2:43 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Rob, (Wed Dec 5, 3:00 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Wed Dec 5, 8:08 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Ken Restivo, (Wed Dec 5, 8:07 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Wed Dec 5, 8:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Miguel M, (Wed Dec 5, 2:53 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Rob, (Wed Dec 5, 3:03 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Folderol, (Tue Dec 4, 7:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Miguel M, (Tue Dec 4, 8:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Folderol, (Tue Dec 4, 11:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Wed Dec 5, 1:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Ken Restivo, (Thu Dec 6, 4:39 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Folderol, (Wed Dec 5, 7:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Tue Dec 4, 10:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Tue Dec 4, 8:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, bradley newton haug, (Tue Dec 4, 6:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Atte André Jensen, (Tue Dec 4, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Folderol, (Mon Dec 3, 11:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Tue Dec 4, 12:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Juan Aboites, (Tue Dec 4, 6:43 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, bradley newton haug, (Sat Dec 1, 9:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Sat Dec 1, 10:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sat Dec 1, 10:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Sat Dec 1, 11:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sun Dec 2, 7:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Malte Steiner, (Sun Dec 2, 5:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, bradley newton haug, (Sat Dec 1, 11:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Sun Dec 2, 12:11 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Sun Dec 2, 2:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Sun Dec 2, 3:00 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Sun Dec 2, 3:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sat Dec 1, 8:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Atte André Jensen, (Sat Dec 1, 11:08 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Chuckk Hubbard, (Sat Dec 1, 12:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Lars Luthman, (Sat Dec 1, 12:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Chuckk Hubbard, (Sat Dec 1, 12:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Sat Dec 1, 7:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Griffith, (Sat Dec 1, 8:08 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sat Dec 1, 8:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Rob, (Sat Dec 1, 3:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Folderol, (Sat Dec 1, 4:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Sat Dec 1, 8:35 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, thomas fisher, (Sun Dec 2, 4:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, , (Sun Dec 2, 6:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, thomas fisher, (Sun Dec 2, 7:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths, thomas fisher, (Mon Dec 3, 4:09 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Chuckk Hubbard, (Sun Dec 2, 8:15 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, , (Sun Dec 2, 7:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Griffith, (Sat Dec 1, 8:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Sat Dec 1, 9:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Asmo Koskinen, (Sat Dec 1, 7:51 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Chuckk Hubbard, (Sat Dec 1, 1:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Damon Chaplin, (Sat Dec 1, 1:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, david, (Sat Dec 1, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, David Olofson, (Sat Dec 1, 12:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Sat Dec 1, 12:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Michal Seta, (Sat Dec 1, 12:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Erik de Castro Lopo, (Fri Nov 30, 11:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Sat Dec 1, 12:29 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sat Dec 1, 8:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Folderol, (Sat Dec 1, 12:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, lanas, (Sat Dec 1, 12:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, TheRevoltingX, (Sat Dec 1, 12:40 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, Chuckk Hubbard, (Sat Dec 1, 10:10 am)
Re: [LAU] Hardware synths, TheRevoltingX, (Sat Dec 1, 12:32 am)