> tim hall wrote:
> >
> >
> > Patrick, I'm finding your POV utterly outrageous.
> >
> > When one has worked hard to make a very precise artistic statement, it becomes
> > apparent how easily it could be changed, to either weaken or completely
> > change the sentiment. I have written several ambient instrumental or acapella
> > vocal pieces that I don't EVER want to hear some f*wit put a beat to. I have
> > listeners who would think I had totally lost my integrity as an artist if I
> > allowed that to happen. If I _was_ into the idea I would release the piece as
> > CC-BY-SA. We have to assume that anyone who has NOT freely licensed their
> > music has NOT given that permission.
> >
>
> Well, I would have to say that if you made something that someone found
> worthwhile of putting a beat too or remixing it in any way shape or form
> then you just have to accept that it's inevitable in this day and age.
>
> >> Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge
> >> learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work
> >> then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my
> >> POV that is absolutely 100% pointless.
> >
> > As an artist I love Dinosaurs and Dragons. I don't want them to evolve into
> > techno-lizards. If I did, I'd write Sci-Fi.
> >
>
> You can't stop evolution!!! Telling people they *can't* evolve your
> digital artwork is like a rag to a bull.
>
> >
> >> That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry
> >> ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to
> >> say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing
> >> shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are
> >> really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get
> >> really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if
> >> you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might
> >> as well revel in it... Right?
> >
> > Actually, most of the people on this list couldn't afford to start proceedings
> > in most cases. This is a bogus argument. I have had the experience of having
> > my work re-used, the title changed and my name not mentioned, taking legal
> > action would have achieved nothing, there was never any money in the
> > equation. Oh, possibly I could have used the situation to get some publicity
> > for myself, but it would not have resolved my self-indulgent sense of honour
> > and artistic integrity, which is what keeps me going as an artist. This is
> > probably all a bit touchy-feely for a hard nosed ideas pirate to understand.
> >
>
> That was your decision. If you are a sensitive artistic type that
> chooses not to have confrontation over your artwork that has very little
> to do with anyone else. Although there would be a case for saying that
> maybe you don't respect your work enough to have the passion to defend
> it... I'm not suggesting that but the person who ripped you off might
> get that impression and feel justified in taking advantage of you.
> There's also the camp which says there are only so many hours in a day
> so why waste energy on something that doesn't have financial gain...
>
> > Those of us who do spend our lives coming up with original tunes, words and
> > arrangements get quite used to watching other people make money from our
> > endeavours - The Security staff, PA and lighting crew always get paid, the
> > agents, distributors, venues and promoters usually take their cut and we walk
> > away with a bit of pocket money if we're lucky. I'm not talking about
> > abstract mythical music-biz scenarios that only take place in the big money
> > hype-driven media world, please consider the issue as it would apply to other
> > people on this list.
> >
> > Let me put it this way:
> >
> > Please don't ever remix my tunes unless I have explicitly licensed the piece
> > in a way that allows it.
> >
> > Because I'd be hurt and confused - if you don't respect an artists integrity
> > why would you WANT to use their work?
> >
>
> Well, the liklihood of me remixing a tune from anyone on this list
> without letting them know well in advance is pretty slim.
>
> But in my book any tune which I have...
>
> A: paid for
> B: Remixed live and found a way to either improve or modify it to make a
> new point
> C: found a sample that helps me to save time and money
>
> Is fair game and if I release it for money I will cover my own ass and
> make sure I get permission before doing so. If I release the remix for
> free, because I can, then I will get permission if I can be bothered.
> Otherwise it's up to the original artist to contact me if they don't
> like the situation.
>
> If that makes me a lesser person then I can live with that. I have
> plenty of so called enemies already so a few more ain't gonna make much
> difference.
>
>
> --
> Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
>
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