Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music

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From: Rob <lau@...>
To: <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 8:53 pm

On Sunday 10 December 2006 08:48, Dave Phillips wrote:

Yeah, I've been a gamer all my life (almost literally... the
first home videogame came out in 1972, when I was 3, and my
parents bought it... and I got my first job 9 years later just
to have quarters for the arcade.) I've been playing and/or
writing music for most of that time as well. I enjoy Guitar
Hero and DDR and the ocarina parts in Zelda, as simple as they
are. But there's a huge difference between even the most
complicated controller with two joysticks and 16 buttons, and
the 88 velocity-sensitive keys of a piano or the six strings and
innumerable chords and techniques of a guitar.

On the other hand, except for improv or maybe the kind of playing
where you have to sight-read something without having rehearsed
it first, there's really nothing in music that requires the kind
of response time necessary to play the more twitchy videogames,
like shooters and fighters. You're executing a predetermined,
practiced performance of something that's been previously
scripted, for the most part, and it's your interpretation of
that performance that makes it art rather than mimickry. You're
not responding to new and unexpected stimuli except in the
above-mentioned cases.

I think that videogames are easier to master overall, though,
because they have clearly-defined success and failure
conditions. You can play a musical passage to absolute
perfection and still have people going, "I dunno, it seemed
kinda stiff."

With games, you just have the computer judging you either through
your character living or dying or by more direct performance
criteria ("Perfect: 227! OK: 8! Miss: 1!"), but with music,
you just have your audience and yourself. This is why I think
computers are an ideal start to music education, since they give
immediate feedback and you can make a DDR-like game out of it,
but with current technology you need more than a computer to
evaluate you.

In the end, the two fields of endeavor are just different, even
if some of the basic skills may appear similar. Video games may
have more in common with music than, say, a real life game of
basketball, but I think the thought processes are still closer
to sport than art.

I bet that the Wii remote will make an awesome (but still not
right-on) virtual theremin possible pretty soon, though. Then
we'll start seeing how you can mix musical performance and
videogames in more meaningful ways than "press the buttons in
time with the lights."

Rob

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[linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Juhana Sadeharju, (Sun Dec 10, 8:50 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Frank Barknecht, (Sun Dec 10, 1:25 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Esben Stien, (Mon Dec 11, 12:21 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Dec 11, 12:52 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Dec 11, 11:42 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Chris McCormick, (Tue Dec 12, 2:29 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Dec 12, 12:11 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Dave Phillips, (Wed Dec 13, 1:30 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Dave Phillips, (Sun Dec 10, 1:40 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Rob, (Sun Dec 10, 8:53 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Chris McCormick, (Mon Dec 11, 1:30 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Chris McCormick, (Sun Dec 10, 3:48 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Dave Phillips, (Sun Dec 10, 4:37 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Esben Stien, (Mon Dec 11, 12:35 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Dave Phillips, (Mon Dec 11, 10:36 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Chris McCormick, (Tue Dec 12, 2:30 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Atte André Jensen, (Tue Dec 12, 11:05 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Cesare Marilungo, (Tue Dec 12, 7:08 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Atte André Jensen, (Tue Dec 12, 8:17 pm)
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Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Cesare Marilungo, (Mon Dec 11, 6:17 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Dec 11, 10:09 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Chris McCormick, (Tue Dec 12, 2:36 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Frank Barknecht, (Tue Dec 12, 11:46 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Frank Barknecht, (Sun Dec 10, 1:58 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Dave Phillips, (Sun Dec 10, 2:18 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Orm Finnendahl, (Sun Dec 10, 9:16 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Frank Barknecht, (Mon Dec 11, 12:54 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Vince Werber, (Sun Dec 10, 9:38 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Thesis: Playing and making music, Frank Barknecht, (Sun Dec 10, 2:21 pm)