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Arnold Krille writes:

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> 2005/7/29, Christoph Eckert :

> > > Please say good-bye to the thought of jack as the

> > > soundserver for everything. Jack is for professional raw

> > > datastreams with very little latency. For the typical

> > > desktop-app/game its irrelevant how much latency there is

> > > (if its not 2 secs)

> > sorry, wrong. What about the gamers?

>

> Typical kde-game has beeps and short bings as sounds, not a full

> soundenvironment.

> And it certainly doesn't need realtime.

> Every other game uses gl or sdl and the needed soundsystem...

How do you know it doesn't need it? Because no one has required it

before? Maybe it doesn't need it because it was never available to be

used?

This argument reminds me of so many silly ideas in history--the world is

flat, char-based consoles is all we need for our powerful mainframe

computers -- why should we connect unrelated computers from around the

world together in a network, what would they possibly have to share.
Once upon a time the planet had not been circumnavigated, all computers

used line printers for output, and the Internet was someone's strange

idea. Is that a reason for not going around the world? Is that a reason

for saying no to GUI and pointing devices? Is that a reason to keep

computers isolated?? After all, an isolated computer is certainly secure

from viruses, spyware and other malicious invasions.

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> just face it: jack is _very_ good for professional and semi-pro usage

> in audio. But it is not a full multimedia-system (audio _and_ video)

> and it doesn't decode any files. These are the things kde needs!

>

This word keeps coming up. Professional. It's stated over and over in

these messages as the reason why KDE cannot adopt Jack. Jack is for

"professional use."

And KDE isn't? Did I miss the policy statement somewhere that says: "KDE

is for amateurs?" "For casual, and occasional computer users?" "For

children?"
And I thought we were all about building an environment that facilitated

anyone's ambition. Want to be a casual user of games when you're 6 years

old? Great, we want Linux (and all it's various subparts) to be for you.

Want to program C++ when you're 10? No problem, we've got all the

tools--no extra price. Want to emmulate Mozart and write a 21st Century

multimedia opera when you're 16? No probl .... ..... Wait, it seems you

can't use KDE. That would be "professional."
Please explain what's wrong with being professional, with supporting

professionals, with professionalism. Because these complaints are voiced

so much I am coming to believe you are against "professionalism."
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> My last comment: You from LA[UD] won't change KDE's decision, which

> already has been made... towards a layer between kde and the

> soundsystem to use to be able to choose the soundsystem during

> runtime...

>

> And Linux doesn't have to choose _the_ one soundsystem to rule them

> all. The big advantage of Linux is exchangability.

>

Maybe your decision is the right one for KDE--maybe it is unfortunate.

But you really must come up with better explanations. Even a simple "We

don't want to" would make more sense than the than this "not needed" and

"it's for professionals" rationale.

In point of fact the question, as someone in this thread said, is not

whether KDE does X Y or Z at this particular time, but whether KDE has

the vision and leadership to step up and forge progress toward a

solution the wider community desparately needs. The problem won't go

away. Sound management on the Linux platform is a shameful disaster,

imho, today. It seems too many decision makers just don't regard audio

as important. Well we are sensient beings, we humans. We (most of us)

hear, see, smell, touch, and feel. Telling us that any one of these

abilities is marginal may make your current task simpler, but it will

not engage the wider population of children, casual users, amateurs --

or professionals.
This thread has not come about because LAU desperately needs KDE. It has

come about because the audio professionals in your Linux familiy see an

opportunity to move the Linux environment forward in an area where it

currently lags and languishes in indecision and neglect. KDE can choose

to say "We're not interested," but that will only push the problem on

for the next group which comes to a major rearchitecting. But, sooner or

later, the issues will be addressed -- or this environment will wither.

I'm convinced it's that fundamental--but that's another email. The only

question for KDE is whether they want to be leaders or followers.
				Janina
> Have a nice weekend,

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> Arnold

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