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On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 17:28, Chris Pickett wrote:

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> Jan Depner wrote:

> > On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 08:48, Chris Pickett wrote:

> >

> >>Jan Depner wrote:

> >>

> >>>On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 02:46, Anahata wrote:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 12:35:03AM +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>you could try to find a CD player

> >>>>>with spdif output and, presuming you have spdif input on your computer,

> >>>>>record the data digitally from a normal player.

> >>>>

> >>>>The possibility of doing this (I assume copy protected CDs can't prevent

> >>>>it, if they can be played at all) is one more thing that makes a

> >>>>mockery of the whole business of copy protection.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>	What really makes a mockery of the copy protection racket is what the

> >>>RIAA calls the "analog hole".  If I can hear it, I can copy it.  Find a

> >>>CD player that can handle the chewed up CD, run the analog outs to your

> >>>computer, record it.  I seriously doubt that there is anyone around who

> >>>can tell the difference between a digitally ripped copy and a digitally

> >>>encoded analog copy.

> >>

> >>I can tell the difference, if it's not done properly, and it isn't

> >>entirely trivial to do it properly.  For starters, you need a decent

> >>soundcard ... I've tried the stereo mini-in jack on this laptop and also

> >>on a couple of other older motherboards / soundblasters and the quality

> >>is _nowhere_ near the quality I get out of the VXpocket v2 with balanced

> >>inputs, and even that's probably at the lower end of the "prosumer"

> >>range.  Non-sound people I know can immediately tell the difference too.

> >>  I've heard enough badly ripped vinyl recordings that I don't really

> >>trust the general populace to make analog-to-digital encodings of any

> >>work.  Admittedly there are more complex factors involved with vinyl

> >>than with CD's, but if it's any indication ...

> >>

> >

> >

> > 	You're missing the point; I have no problem doing it correctly, I have

> > a pro soundcard, and it only takes one person ;-)  After that it's all

> > digital.

>

> I think I understand what you're saying: if there's enough people with

> good hardware and knowledge of how to do a2d correctly, then it's

> possible to get around all copy protection schemes.

>

> The problems I see are:

>

> 1) this requires p2p networks to work, which have dubious legal status,

> depending on your country, whereas it's not illegal to rip CD's at home

> (barring DMCA nonsense)

> 2) it takes a lot longer to rip a2d than d2d

> 3) you can't pick files from networks just based on bit-rate; you either

> need to go by the ripper's reputation, or by listening to them yourself,

> to check that the person did it correctly.

> 

	All good points.
> Basically, at this point, in my opinion, the RIAA doesn't have much to

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> worry about w.r.t. the "analog hole".

>

	Actually, a lot of what's available on P2P is analog ripped.

> Anyway, for me it's a moot point ... I just buy vinyl!

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> 

	I can't find anything old (like me) in good shape or I'd do the same.
Jan