Re: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: [Jamin] Re: soft clip: Achieving Gain, inconsequential overloads

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Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2004 - 7:15 pm

Paul Winkler wrote:

OK then I'm going to 'check out' at this point. None of this thread
makes any sense in my experience. It is completely inconsistent with my
experience which is mostly mixing pop/rock stuff. It seems to me this
has drifted very far into the Twilight Zone.

Certainly brick wall limiters change the harmonic mixtures. Whether they
'add significant harmonic distortion' should be measureable, but whether
that harmonic distortion has anything to do with being 'favorable' I'll
wait for someone with more time and interest to discover.

Far more likely, in my mind, is that the root cause of this is just
basic Fletcher-Munson stuff taking over at a low level and then
inexperienced listeners and musicians letting it run wild. Inexperienced
listeners often report that they like one mix over another when in fact
the two mixes are identical and the preferred is 1 or 2db louder, at
least over certain listening ranges. There is absolutely no significant
harmonic anything going on when that happens. There are tricks the ear
is playing on them when they listen at low levels vs. louder levels. I'm
always surprised (well, not always anymore, but often) when I
recalibrate my environment with my SPL meter and remember how loud 85dbA
is. I tend to listen at much lower levels but I think that most people
do not, and most engineers mix at higher levels than I do also. With
this in mind it's no suprixe that a song would sound better played at
the level it was mixed.

>

Why does a violin equate to classical recording? I saw Laurie Anderson
just last evening, but of course that wasn't really a violin. ;-)

>>Just a

OK, insult taken, but that's OK. I wasn't getting personal. Why are you?

>

Or I run my digital out through a D/A and immediate back in through an
A/D to do similar things at times. It's another way to dither. It can
help. It can hurt. It changes the harmonics. It does not (again, in my
experience only) have any effect that drives up the volume, but that may
just be me.

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Re: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: [Jamin] Re: soft clip: Achieving..., Mark Knecht, (Tue May 4, 7:15 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: [Jamin] Re: soft clip: Achieving..., Malcolm Baldridge, (Tue May 4, 11:27 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: [Jamin] Re: soft clip: Achieving..., Eric Dantan Rzewnicki, (Tue May 4, 9:28 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: [Jamin] Re: soft clip: Achieving..., Eric Dantan Rzewnicki, (Wed May 5, 1:42 am)