Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

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Date: Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 9:36 pm

On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:

Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the
long and colorful history of pro audio hardware manufacturers blatantly
ripping each other off, often leaving the victims with no legal
recourse:

http://homerecording.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-74439.html

IMO the issue is not whether RME's concern is valid - clearly it is.
Sorry, but arguing otherwise makes us look stupid and naive. The issue
is how to address this concern. If that means a closed source Linux
driver, fine.

Maybe the reason no firewire hardware is supported is because Behringer
and their ilk would instantly have all the info they need to copy the
design and mass produce it. Doesn't matter how cheap the device is to
design - it will _always_ be cheaper to rip someone off than design it
yourself. They can even sell at a loss, due to huge cash reserves -
they only need to sustain it long enough to put the competition out of
business. In the case of the "Swizz Army Tuner", the original designers
were ripped off by Behringer, but a lawsuit would have bankrupted them
_even if they won_ so could not take action.

I think many people in this thread underestimate how cutthroat the
hardware business is.

Lee

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Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ..., Lee Revell, (Sat Nov 27, 9:36 pm)
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-d..., Michal Kostrzewa, (Tue Nov 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-d..., Hasse Hagen Johansen, (Mon Nov 29, 11:04 am)
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-d..., Michal Kostrzewa, (Mon Nov 29, 10:52 am)
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-d..., Christoph Eckert, (Sun Nov 28, 11:46 pm)
[linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Ryan Gallagher, (Sun Nov 28, 4:55 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Mark Knecht, (Sun Nov 28, 6:14 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Ryan Gallagher, (Sun Nov 28, 7:56 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Mark Knecht, (Sun Nov 28, 8:23 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Lee Revell, (Sun Nov 28, 8:33 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Lee Revell, (Sun Nov 28, 8:06 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Ryan Gallagher, (Sun Nov 28, 8:24 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Lee Revell, (Sun Nov 28, 8:35 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Lee Revell, (Sun Nov 28, 8:43 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Ryan Gallagher, (Sun Nov 28, 8:32 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Lee Revell, (Sun Nov 28, 8:39 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Dave Robillard, (Sun Nov 28, 9:21 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Ryan Gallagher, (Sun Nov 28, 10:12 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] open source firewire, Mark Knecht, (Sun Nov 28, 10:26 pm)
[linux-audio-user] Re: Behringer etc., jonathan segel, (Mon Nov 29, 12:35 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Preach it! [was: Re: [linux-audio-use..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Tue Nov 30, 6:49 am)
[linux-audio-user] Re: pro-audio knowledge, Jack O'Quin, (Wed Dec 1, 5:23 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: pro-audio knowledge, tim hall, (Wed Dec 1, 3:06 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: pro-audio knowledge, Jan Depner, (Wed Dec 1, 9:59 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: pro-audio knowledge, tim hall, (Thu Dec 2, 11:49 am)
[linux-audio-user] cross-platform [was: Behringer etc.], Florin Andrei, (Mon Nov 29, 8:35 pm)
[linux-audio-user] [ANN] Linux Audio DVD in Keyboards, Matthias Nagorni, (Mon Nov 29, 4:01 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Linux Audio DVD in Keyboards, Christoph Eckert, (Mon Nov 29, 6:52 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Linux Audio DVD in Keyboards, Matthias Nagorni, (Wed Dec 1, 4:49 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Linux Audio DVD in Keyboards, Christoph Eckert, (Wed Dec 1, 5:33 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Linux Audio DVD in Keyboards, Matthias Nagorni, (Wed Dec 1, 6:10 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Linux Audio DVD in Keyboards, Robert Jonsson, (Mon Nov 29, 4:36 pm)
[linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Jack O'Quin, (Mon Nov 29, 3:58 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Mon Nov 29, 6:17 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Rick B, (Mon Nov 29, 8:27 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Mark Knecht, (Mon Nov 29, 8:41 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Nov 29, 8:57 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Rob, (Mon Nov 29, 9:27 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Mon Nov 29, 9:56 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, tim hall, (Tue Nov 30, 5:20 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] (OT) meat/not meat, Michael T Nelson, (Tue Nov 30, 3:36 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] (OT) meat/not meat, tim hall, (Wed Dec 1, 1:35 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] (OT) meat/not meat, Michael T Nelson, (Wed Dec 1, 2:31 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] (OT) meat/not meat, tim hall, (Thu Dec 2, 11:40 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Russell Hanaghan, (Tue Nov 30, 6:14 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Tue Nov 30, 10:22 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Mark Knecht, (Tue Nov 30, 3:59 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Tue Nov 30, 5:44 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Mark Knecht, (Tue Nov 30, 6:19 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, tim hall, (Wed Dec 1, 1:42 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Jan Depner, (Tue Nov 30, 4:10 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Mark Knecht, (Tue Nov 30, 4:15 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Jan Depner, (Tue Nov 30, 4:21 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Tue Nov 30, 11:31 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Rob, (Tue Nov 30, 3:56 pm)
[linux-audio-user] [OT] The 99th Monkey Nut, tim hall, (Wed Dec 1, 2:34 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [OT] The 99th Monkey Nut, Lee Revell, (Wed Dec 1, 4:20 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] [OT] The 99th Monkey Nut, Jack O'Quin, (Wed Dec 1, 5:40 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Florin Andrei, (Tue Nov 30, 5:57 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, R Parker, (Tue Nov 30, 6:51 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Tue Nov 30, 10:58 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Tue Nov 30, 7:56 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Tue Nov 30, 10:23 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Mark Knecht, (Tue Nov 30, 4:01 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Dave Phillips, (Tue Nov 30, 12:48 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, tim hall, (Tue Nov 30, 1:09 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Tue Nov 30, 5:44 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Wed Dec 1, 3:13 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Wed Dec 1, 11:30 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Wed Dec 1, 3:10 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Marek Peteraj, (Wed Dec 1, 11:31 pm)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME is no more, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Thu Dec 2, 1:14 am)
[linux-audio-user] Echo cards on Linux, Andres Cabrera, (Thu Dec 2, 2:15 pm)
[linux-audio-user] Re: Behringer, Esben Stien, (Wed Dec 1, 1:30 am)
Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Behringer, Wolfgang Woehl, (Wed Dec 1, 12:11 pm)