Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?

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To: Fons Adriaensen <fons@...>
Cc: Stéphane Letz <letz@...>, linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org <linux-audio-dev@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 - 11:35 am

On 1 July 2014 11:37, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

This reminds me of a (robust! :-) ) discussion David and I had a few
years back. I'll preface this by saying, which is not really a secret
around here, that I'm a Java developer. Praxis LIVE is written in
Java for a very particular reason - the ability to rewrite code on the
fly, and have it JIT compiled. Development at the moment is very much
focused on the idea of a visual patcher where you can rewrite the code
of any component *as it runs*. This ability to live manipulate code,
either by hand or by meta-programming, would seem to open up a wide
range of interesting and creative possibilities - instant feedback as
a great learning and development tool. There's lots of interesting
stuff happening in this space at the moment - eg. Extempore
(https://github.com/digego/extempore)

I generally agree with scepticism around JavaScript for this (and to
an extent with the drive to make the browser an OS), but that's
primarily due to limitations of the language (types, threading, etc.)
than the idea of a VM in and of itself.

David, in the past you've professed to be pro-JIT and pro-GC but
anti-VM - I guess I'm still having difficulty understanding what that
position means -surely some level of machine abstraction is a
necessary intermediate stage here?

Best wishes,

Neil

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Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - open-source intermedia development - www.praxislive.org
Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
www.digitalprisoners.co.uk
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Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Stéphane Letz, (Mon Jun 30, 9:13 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Wed Jul 2, 10:06 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jun 30, 9:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Charles Z Henry, (Tue Jul 1, 8:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, David Olofson, (Mon Jun 30, 10:35 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, David Robillard, (Mon Jun 30, 10:27 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jul 1, 10:37 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Neil C Smith, (Tue Jul 1, 11:35 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Stéphane Letz, (Tue Jul 1, 10:52 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jul 1, 11:12 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jul 1, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Nils, (Tue Jul 1, 12:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jul 1, 11:46 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Etienne Rouge, (Tue Jul 1, 12:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jul 1, 12:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Etienne Rouge, (Tue Jul 1, 12:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Tue Jul 1, 1:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Tue Jul 1, 3:56 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Stéphane Letz, (Tue Jul 1, 5:09 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jul 1, 11:03 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Stéphane Letz, (Tue Jul 1, 11:17 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jul 1, 12:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jul 1, 7:35 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Tue Jul 1, 5:33 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Jul 1, 12:12 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Jul 1, 7:07 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jul 1, 9:52 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Jul 1, 5:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Wed Jul 2, 3:38 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Tim E. Real, (Tue Jul 1, 9:00 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Tue Jul 1, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jul 1, 10:16 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Wed Jul 2, 4:00 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Tue Jul 1, 10:41 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Tim Goetze, (Wed Jul 2, 9:19 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Wed Jul 2, 10:29 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, hermann meyer, (Tue Jul 1, 10:45 am)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Paul Davis, (Mon Jun 30, 10:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] Open Source to be or not to be?, Philipp , (Mon Jun 30, 10:12 pm)