Re: [LAD] Xiph.org - Video:Digital Show and Tell - No difference between analog and digitally processed sound.

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Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013 - 10:15 am

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:38:40AM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:

Most of the DSP textbooks I own refer to down-sampling as decimation
and up-sampling as interpolation. I guess it depends on context.

> otoh, if you mean sample rate down-conversion, i understand your

I meant the anti-alias filter used in the down-sampling stage
of an oversampling ADC. Many ADC manufacturers use the same term
on their data sheets (not that it excuses my laziness ;-)).

> moreover, i'd expect src circuits with only -12dB at fs/s to be

Data sheets for ADC chips commonly used in pro audio applications
typically list stop band attenuation at 0.55fs, where they give
impressive attenuation figures. At 0.5fs the attenuation can be much
lower.

As an example, take the TI PCM4222. The data sheet shows a stop
band attenuation of -100dB at 0.546fs for the "classic" filter
response setting (there is also a low group delay setting with
lower attenuation). However, a look at the frequency response graph
shows the attenuation at 0.5fs is only around -10dB. Many of the
commonly used ADCs show a similar response, but not all manufacturers
provide this information.

There's an excellent paper by the late Julian Dunn describing
the problem:

http://www.nanophon.com/audio/antialia.pdf

Section 3 goes into detail on inadequate filter rejection. Some
of the figures listed for real ADCs are pretty shocking. Section 4
discusses related problems in DAC anti-imaging filters.

John
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Re: [LAD] Xiph.org - Video:Digital Show and Tell - No differ..., Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Thu May 23, 7:38 am)
Re: [LAD] Xiph.org - Video:Digital Show and Tell - No differ..., Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Sun May 26, 3:52 pm)
Re: [LAD] Xiph.org - Video:Digital Show and Tell - No differ..., John Rigg, (Thu May 23, 10:15 am)