Re: [LAD] OT: Bitwig beta for Linux reviewed

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To: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@...>
Cc: Linux Audio Developers <linux-audio-dev@...>
Date: Saturday, March 9, 2013 - 4:56 am

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Giada plays fine in sync. So does lmms. Test it yourself. I don't think an
all-in-one sequencer needs to use jack transport.

As for muting individual clips, a little weird requirement, IMHO. In fl
studio you also can't mute individual clips and I don't ever remember
needing that in all the 15 years I've done music.

Bitwig looks like a normal sequencer, which looks like smth special only in
comparison to what we don't have on linux . I did not have YouTube blocked
and I saw the demo. It looks what you would expect from a project that was
done commercially, I see nothing that would suggest it is claimed it solves
'all the problems'. It solves many problems for ppl like me who just want
an all-in-one sequencer, where the project is saved not by scripts, but by
pressing one button.

So to me your criticism looks like pointing out the lack of some weird
feature you personally want and which none of the software I know on
windows even has, and concluding bitwig is a myth.
On Mar 9, 2013 12:32 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-03-08 at 22:14 +0300, Louigi Verona wrote:

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Giada plays fine in sync. So does lmms. Test it yourself. I don't th=
ink an all-in-one sequencer needs to use jack transport.
As for muting individual clips, a little weird requirement, IMHO. In fl =
studio you also can't mute individual clips and I don't ever rememb=
er needing that in all the 15 years I've done music.
Bitwig looks like a normal sequencer, which looks like smth special only=
in comparison to what we don't have on linux . I did not have YouTube =
blocked and I saw the demo. It looks what you would expect from a project t=
hat was done commercially, I see nothing that would suggest it is claimed i=
t solves 'all the problems'. It solves many problems for ppl like m=
e who just want an all-in-one sequencer, where the project is saved not by =
scripts, but by pressing one button.

So to me your criticism looks like pointing out the lack of some weird f=
eature you personally want and which none of the software I know on windows=
even has, and concluding bitwig is a myth.
On Mar 9, 2013 12:32 AM, "Ralf Mardorf&quot=
; <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.=
net
> wrote:
On Fri, 2013-03-08 at 22:14 +0300, Louigi Verona wrote:

blem

Hi Louigi,

for Qtractor I e.g. experienced that when I play a part of a song as
loop, that hardware synth, software synth and audio after a few minutes
are completely out of sync, when using Qtractor. As we all know, jack
transport can't do loop play. Qtractor and Rosegarden can't mute
individual clips, it's only possible to mute tracks, perhaps it can be<=
br>
automated, but for easily arranging a song it's better to be able to
mute and unmute clips by click. You can't see the difference between
clips with own data files and clips that share the data file with other
clips for Qtractor (for Cubase such clips are called "ghosts" and=
they
are shadowed). IIRC Muse can mute individual clips, but Muse never was
able to run on my machine. I tested it for different distros, in
different years.
The way recording is handled, when recording in loop play, is not that
manifold as for old proprietary sequencers.

However, we can use those FLOSS Linux apps, but just a few people can
test Bitwig.

Regards,
Ralf

@ the topic:
We already have some software that does run on Linux and I'm sceptic to=

read that Bitwig should provide all kinds of features we are missing for
Linux at the moment or missing for any OS at the moment. A tester wrote
that there are technical issues, that VST and AU are supported and the
audio binding should be less good, than it should be for Ardour. Bitwig
should be an native Linux app, but seemingly it isn't.

Bitwig quasi should be what many people, including me, are waiting for.
But I don't trust those folks, they already made that much noise, I onl=
y
know from Gates, Apple and Zuckerberg, when they present something that
is ready for the market. I'm seemingly not the only one who is sceptic,=

when taking a look at the graphic design of Bitwig.

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