[LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes

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Date: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 9:50 pm

Hi again. Looking for any advice, tips, tricks, anecdotes etc.

I want to eliminate or reduce 'zipper' noise on volume changes.
So I'm looking at two techniques:
Zero-crossing / zero-value signal detection, and slew-rate limiting.
Code is almost done, almost ready to start testing each technique.
Each technique has some advantages and disadvantages.

If I use a slew-rate limiter, I figure for a sudden volume factor change
from 0.0 to 1.0, if I limit the slew rate to say 0.01 per sample then after
100 samples the ramp will be done.
But even with a fine ramp, this still might introduce artifacts in the audio.

If I use a zero-crossing/zero-value detector and apply volume changes
only at these safe points, that's a much more desirable 'perfect' system.
But I stuck a time limit on waiting for a zero-cross because it's possible
the signal might have a high DC offset, or contain VLF < 20Hz.
(One cannot simply wait for the current data value to be 'zero' because
for example with a perfect square wave signal the 'current' value will never
approach zero, hence the zero-crossing detection requirement.)

At some point waiting for a zero-cross, a ramp would have already finished
and it may have been better to use that ramp instead.
Conversely, a zero-cross might happen sooner than a ramp could finish,
and we definitely want to use that zero-cross here instead of the ramp.

So it means I either have to give the user a choice of the two techniques,
or try to automatically switch between them - which ever one occurs first,
the ramp finishing or the zero-cross, use it.
But it means I have to keep two audio buffers - one for applying the ramp
as the samples are processed, and one for waiting until zero-cross happens -
and which ever one "finishes the race" first, that buffer "gets the nod".

The zero-crossing technique has some interesting implications.
For a stereo signal each channel's zero-cross will happen at different times.
So I'm trying to imagine what that's going to sound like where the volume
changes happen at slightly different times, if it will be noticeable, even
though that is far better than 'zipper' noise.
Also I'm trying to imagine how track cross-fading support would deal
with zero-crossing - if it is better to use ramps in that case.

What do you think?

Thanks.
Tim.
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[LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim E. Real, (Mon Mar 18, 9:50 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 18, 11:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Paul Davis, (Mon Mar 18, 10:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim E. Real, (Mon Mar 18, 11:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim E. Real, (Mon Mar 18, 11:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 18, 11:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 19, 12:31 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, James Morris, (Mon Mar 18, 11:28 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 18, 11:45 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Mar 19, 2:09 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim Goetze, (Tue Mar 19, 3:17 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 19, 1:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim Goetze, (Tue Mar 19, 1:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 19, 3:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim Goetze, (Tue Mar 19, 3:37 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 19, 4:31 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim Goetze, (Tue Mar 19, 7:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Charles Z Henry, (Tue Mar 19, 10:26 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 19, 10:57 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Charles Z Henry, (Tue Mar 19, 11:12 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 19, 11:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 19, 10:26 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Mar 19, 1:31 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Mar 19, 4:30 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Noiseless volume changes, Tim Goetze, (Tue Mar 19, 3:22 am)