Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance

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Date: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 9:56 am

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:23:02AM -0400, Tim E. Real wrote:

> I noticed our app uses this pan formula:

6 dB actually.

> But according to [1], we should be using a Pan Law [2],

There are two independent issues involved here:

1. The attenuation at the center w.r.t. to extreme L and R.
2. Whether the center or the extremes should be 0 dB.

(2) is very much a matter of taste and of virtually no practical
consequence : you will adjust the fader (channel gain) to get
the right balance anyway.

Regarding (1), if you take psycho-acoustics into account you'd
want -6 dB at the center for low frequencies and -3 dB for high
frequencies, with a gentle crossover at around 500 Hz or so.
So the SSL compromise of -4.5 dB makes sense.
Note that unless you use the panner to move a sound around
during a mix, all of this hardly matters: you will adjust
the balance anyway and compensate for whatever the panner
is doing.

Returning to (2): for a panner (mono -> stereo) I'd prefer
0 dB at L and R. For a balance control (stereo -> stereo)
I'd prefer 0 dB at the center position.

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[LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 12, 5:23 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 12, 9:56 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 12, 8:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 12, 9:22 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Wed Mar 13, 8:16 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Wed Mar 13, 11:34 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Tue Mar 12, 8:28 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 12, 9:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Geoff Beasley, (Tue Mar 12, 9:41 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 12, 7:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Thu Mar 14, 10:42 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Fri Mar 15, 11:57 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Thu Mar 14, 11:37 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Thu Mar 14, 6:50 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 16, 10:17 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Fred Gleason, (Sat Mar 16, 11:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Ricardus Vincente, (Sat Mar 16, 7:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Sun Mar 17, 10:54 am)
[LAD] OT: Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 16, 2:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Sat Mar 16, 1:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Mar 16, 6:23 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Sat Mar 23, 5:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Sun Mar 24, 8:07 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Sun Mar 24, 8:46 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, hermann meyer, (Sun Mar 24, 9:50 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Sun Mar 24, 10:10 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Sun Mar 24, 12:57 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Mar 24, 11:57 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Sun Mar 24, 1:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Mar 24, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Sun Mar 24, 4:18 pm)
[LAD] zita-mu1 denormals, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Mar 27, 11:48 am)
Re: [LAD] zita-mu1 denormals, Raphaël BOLLEN, (Wed Mar 27, 2:21 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 16, 8:28 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 16, 10:21 am)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Thu Mar 14, 7:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 12, 7:21 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Paul Davis, (Tue Mar 12, 7:13 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mixing audio: Implementing pan and balance, Tim E. Real, (Tue Mar 12, 7:44 pm)