Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?

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To: David Robillard <d@...>
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Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013 - 12:30 pm

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2013/2/7 David Robillard

> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 09:58 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:

sad but true ... or not ?

i have been actively contributing to Hydrogen for over 2 years now and i
have spend quite a bit of time trying to get more people involved (the
drumkit contest was the most recent attempt that had some visibility, but
there have been other attempts)

my conclusion is that it _is_ possible to attract new people, but you have
to invest a LOT of time into it. A general 'we are looking for people to
help out' broadcast is ok for a start, but once/if you get a reaction you
need to make sure that you email this person directly, keep in touch and
keep motivating him/her _constantly_
After all you are relying on someones goodwill so you need to keep them
happy. (this might sound weird or plain wrong, but that's the reality)

Lucky for me i'm no good at coding anyway, so i'm not wasting time (that i
could use to write code) talking to people

On the other hand i know that there are a lot of people out there that want
to help, but automatically think that we only need people that write code.
Not true of course !
IMHO keeping the manual/site/forum clean and up to date is JUST AS
IMPORTANT as delivering good apps

Sadly it sometimes happens that we simply scare off these people due to too
much tech talk, or because of the need to 'stay in charge of our beloved
project'
Also this is perfectly understandable, but i feel that any project
would benefit from having 1 ore more non-technical people that 'interface'
between the user and the developer

Hydrogen was the audio app that triggered my interest in linux and linux
audio (now over 7 years ago) but sadly i had to stop working on the project
recently due to a lac of time and a change in priorities.
However, i hope i can find some spare time in the near future and jump back
on board ;-) there is always work to be done !

after writing this i am still left with 1 final question :
It is good that we can have this kind of discussion, and i think we all see
and knowledge that there are several challenges, but ...
will we find a way to come together and make this work ... ?

Linux audio rocks !

Grtz
Thijs

>

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2013/2/7 David Robillard <d@drobilla.net>

On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 09:58 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
[...]

eveloper, what do we

Well, post a thread about what people think sucks, and you'll get=
page
after page after page after page like we see here.

Post a thread asking for actual help on any of these things and I'd be<=
br>
surprised if you get a single reply.sad but true ... or not ?

i have been actively contri=
buting to Hydrogen for over 2 years now and i have spend quite a bit of tim=
e trying to get more people involved (the drumkit contest was the most rece=
nt attempt that had some visibility, but there have been other attempts)

my conclusion is that it _is_ possible to attract new people, but=A0you hav=
e to invest a LOT of time into it. =A0A general 'we are looking for peo=
ple to help out' broadcast is ok for a start, but once/if you get a rea=
ction you need to make sure that you email this person directly, keep in to=
uch and keep motivating him/her _constantly_=A0

After all you are relying on someones=
goodwill so you need to keep them happy. (this might sound=A0weird=A0or pl=
ain wrong, but that's the reality)

Lucky for me i'm no good at coding anyway, so i'm not wasting=A0tim=
e (that i could use to write code) talking to people

On the other hand i know th=
at there are a lot of people out there that want to help, but automatically=
think that we only need people that write code. =A0

Not true of course !

IMHO keeping the manual/site/forum clean and up to date is JUST AS IMPORTAN=
T as delivering good apps

Sadly it sometimes happens that=
we simply scare off these people due to too much tech talk, or because of =
the need to 'stay in charge of our beloved project'

Also this is perfectly understandable=
, but i feel that any project would=A0benefit from having 1 ore more non-te=
chnical people that 'interface' between the user and the developer=
=A0

=A0

Hydrogen was the audio app that triggered my interest in linux and linux au=
dio (now over 7 years ago) but sadly i had to stop working on the project r=
ecently due to a lac of time and a change in priorities.

However, i hope i can find some spare time in the near future and jump back=
on board ;-) =A0there is always work to be done !

after writing this i am still left with 1 final question :It is good that we can have this kind of discus=
sion, and i think we all see and=A0knowledge=A0that there are several chall=
enges, but ...

will we find a way to come together a=
nd make this work ... ?

Linux audio rocks !

Grtz

Thijs=A0

The one and only thing we lack is people doing constructive work.

> Please, try to speak your piece without flames or dissing other

> that crap, and I'm most thankful these days for such forum ameniti=
es

rd filters found

The only appropriate response to complainers. =A0We all complain
sometimes, but people who do nothing but complain are nothing but toxic.

I hope this thread didn't go that way, but I'm sure as hell not goi=
ng to
read it to find out ;)

-dr

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[LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Dave Phillips, (Tue Feb 5, 2:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Sun Feb 10, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Feb 7, 11:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Michael Bechard, (Thu Feb 7, 11:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 8, 12:06 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Michael Bechard, (Fri Feb 8, 12:25 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 8, 1:02 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 8, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Harry van Haaren, (Sat Feb 9, 1:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Feb 9, 12:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Sat Feb 9, 11:21 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, David Robillard, (Thu Feb 7, 3:25 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Thijs van severen, (Thu Feb 7, 12:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, David Robillard, (Fri Feb 8, 2:32 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Dominique Michel, (Wed Feb 6, 3:28 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Julien Claassen, (Tue Feb 5, 7:07 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Florian Paul Schmidt, (Wed Feb 6, 4:42 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Feb 5, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Thorsten Wilms, (Tue Feb 5, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Tue Feb 5, 7:09 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Johannes Kroll, (Tue Feb 5, 4:07 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Michael Bechard, (Tue Feb 5, 3:47 pm)