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On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM, michael noble  wrote:
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> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:

>

>> What I'm more interested in is what *you* think is missing most or just

>> plain wrong about the situation.

>

>

>

> I started using linux for audio primarily for sooperlooper, which at the

> time (over ten years ago i think) was the best if not the only EDP

> emulation for any platform. It worked great then, and it still works great,

> so from that perspective, nothing is wrong with linux audio for me, except

> for the constant hand-wringing and complaining that something is wrong with

> linux audio!

>

> But of course, that is not the whole picture. Every now and then I wish

> there was a native linux audiomulch equivalent, for example, but then I

> usually get to thinking how wrong-headed such desires seem. Windows or OSX

> never really evolved as audio platforms trying to emulate Windows or OSX so

> much, they evolved as platforms for music creation in their own terms.

> That's somewhat naive and an over simplification I realize, because for

> sure different software packages emulated and influenced each other, and

> even MS and Apple have always had their tensions about who truly innovated

> various features (and even linux can stake a claim in that respect).

>

> But my point is that expecting linux to be just like one of those

> platforms seems dunderheaded to me. So one of the things wrong with linux

> audio (for me) is the constant stream of expectations to replicate the

> experience of other platforms. It may happen, but I don't think it is a

> worthy drive for development. Yes, certain features may be worth emulating,

> but often times I get the feeling that people have a working setup on

> another platform, and then complain mostly because they have to give that

> up when they switch platforms. They then  get increasingly frustrated as

> they realize things will just not be the same as they were when they had a

> working setup on the other platform. Which often makes me question why some

> people switch at all.

>

> A lot of the points raised in this thread are perfectly valid I'm sure

> from the perspective of the individuals raising them, and that's what this

> thread is about, but I'm going to take a stand against what seems to a

> trend of slagging the "audio geeks". For me that is exactly what makes

> linux unique, interesting, fun, and yes, sometimes frustrating. It is a

> system where the whole system is available to play and learn and grow as

> you grow as a musician or sound designer. Its never-ending openness and

> diversity limits its effectiveness in emulating windows or OSX, but linux

> offers an open palette of learning opportunities. Linux has taught me more

> about system design and the bigger picture of digital audio than Windows

> and OSX ever did. Of course, that's hard to quantify because who knows what

> might have happened if I didn't switch all those years ago (for one thing I

> might have made more music and spent less time learning about systems), but

> linux is what it is and I'd rather spend time taking advantage of what it

> is and then bemoaning what it isn't, as difficult as that can be sometimes.

>

> 2 minor units of currency

> Michael

>

Very well put.
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On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM, michael =

noble <looplog@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dave Phillips <dlp=

hillips@woh.rr.com> wrote:
What I'm more interested in is what *you=

* think is missing most or just plain wrong about the situation.
I started using linux for audio primarily for sooperloo=

per, which at the time (over ten years ago i think) was the best if not=C2=

=A0the=C2=A0only EDP emulation for any platform. It worked great then, and =

it still works great, so from that perspective, nothing is wrong with linux=

 audio for me, except for the constant hand-wringing and complaining that s=

omething is wrong with linux audio!
But of cour=

se, that is not the whole picture. Every now and then I wish there was a na=

tive linux audiomulch equivalent, for example, but then I usually get to th=

inking how wrong-headed such desires seem. Windows or OSX never really evol=

ved as audio platforms trying to emulate Windows or OSX so much, they evolv=

ed as platforms for music creation in their own terms. That's somewhat =

naive and an over simplification I realize, because for sure different soft=

ware packages emulated and influenced each other, and even MS and Apple hav=

e always had their tensions about who truly innovated various features (and=

 even linux can stake a claim in that respect).=C2=A0
But my poin=

t is that expecting linux to be just like one of those platforms seems dund=

erheaded to me. So one of the things wrong with linux audio (for me) is the=

 constant stream of expectations to replicate the experience of other platf=

orms. It may happen, but I don't think it is a worthy drive for develop=

ment. Yes, certain features may be worth emulating, but often times I get t=

he feeling that people have a working setup on another platform, and then c=

omplain mostly because they have to give that up when they switch platforms=

. They then =C2=A0get increasingly frustrated as they realize things will j=

ust not be the same as they were when they had a working setup on the other=

 platform. Which often makes me question why some people switch at all. =C2=

=A0
A lot of th=

e points raised in this thread are perfectly valid I'm sure from the pe=

rspective of the individuals raising them, and that's what this thread =

is about, but I'm going to take a stand against what seems to a trend o=

f slagging the "audio geeks". For me that is exactly what makes l=

inux unique, interesting, fun, and yes, sometimes frustrating. It is a syst=

em where the whole system is available to play and learn and grow as you gr=

ow as a musician or sound designer. Its never-ending openness and diversity=

 limits its effectiveness in emulating windows or OSX, but linux offers an =

open=C2=A0palette=C2=A0of learning opportunities. Linux has taught me more =

about system design and the bigger picture of digital audio than Windows an=

d OSX ever did. Of course, that's hard to quantify because who knows wh=

at might have happened if I didn't switch all those years ago (for one =

thing I might have made more music and spent less time learning about syste=

ms), but linux is what it is and I'd rather spend time taking advantage=

 of what it is and then=C2=A0bemoaning=C2=A0what it isn't, as difficult=

 as that can be sometimes.
2 minor uni=

ts of currencyMichaelV=

ery well put.
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