Re: [LAD] [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?

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To: Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...>
Cc: Linux Audio User <linux-audio-user@...>, Linux Audio Developers <linux-audio-dev@...>
Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 - 11:18 pm

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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:

> What I'm more interested in is what *you* think is missing most or just

I started using linux for audio primarily for sooperlooper, which at the
time (over ten years ago i think) was the best if not the only EDP
emulation for any platform. It worked great then, and it still works great,
so from that perspective, nothing is wrong with linux audio for me, except
for the constant hand-wringing and complaining that something is wrong with
linux audio!

But of course, that is not the whole picture. Every now and then I wish
there was a native linux audiomulch equivalent, for example, but then I
usually get to thinking how wrong-headed such desires seem. Windows or OSX
never really evolved as audio platforms trying to emulate Windows or OSX so
much, they evolved as platforms for music creation in their own terms.
That's somewhat naive and an over simplification I realize, because for
sure different software packages emulated and influenced each other, and
even MS and Apple have always had their tensions about who truly innovated
various features (and even linux can stake a claim in that respect).

But my point is that expecting linux to be just like one of those platforms
seems dunderheaded to me. So one of the things wrong with linux audio (for
me) is the constant stream of expectations to replicate the experience of
other platforms. It may happen, but I don't think it is a worthy drive for
development. Yes, certain features may be worth emulating, but often times
I get the feeling that people have a working setup on another platform, and
then complain mostly because they have to give that up when they switch
platforms. They then get increasingly frustrated as they realize things
will just not be the same as they were when they had a working setup on the
other platform. Which often makes me question why some people switch at
all.

A lot of the points raised in this thread are perfectly valid I'm sure from
the perspective of the individuals raising them, and that's what this
thread is about, but I'm going to take a stand against what seems to a
trend of slagging the "audio geeks". For me that is exactly what makes
linux unique, interesting, fun, and yes, sometimes frustrating. It is a
system where the whole system is available to play and learn and grow as
you grow as a musician or sound designer. Its never-ending openness and
diversity limits its effectiveness in emulating windows or OSX, but linux
offers an open palette of learning opportunities. Linux has taught me more
about system design and the bigger picture of digital audio than Windows
and OSX ever did. Of course, that's hard to quantify because who knows what
might have happened if I didn't switch all those years ago (for one thing I
might have made more music and spent less time learning about systems), but
linux is what it is and I'd rather spend time taking advantage of what it
is and then bemoaning what it isn't, as difficult as that can be sometimes.

2 minor units of currency
Michael

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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@woh.rr.com<=
/a>> wrote:
What I'm more interested in is what *you=
* think is missing most or just plain wrong about the situation.
I started using linux for audio primarily for sooperlooper, w=
hich at the time (over ten years ago i think) was the best if not=A0the=A0o=
nly EDP emulation for any platform. It worked great then, and it still work=
s great, so from that perspective, nothing is wrong with linux audio for me=
, except for the constant hand-wringing and complaining that something is w=
rong with linux audio!
But o=
f course, that is not the whole picture. Every now and then I wish there wa=
s a native linux audiomulch equivalent, for example, but then I usually get=
to thinking how wrong-headed such desires seem. Windows or OSX never reall=
y evolved as audio platforms trying to emulate Windows or OSX so much, they=
evolved as platforms for music creation in their own terms. That's som=
ewhat naive and an over simplification I realize, because for sure differen=
t software packages emulated and influenced each other, and even MS and App=
le have always had their tensions about who truly innovated various feature=
s (and even linux can stake a claim in that respect).=A0
But my point is that expecting linux to be just like one of those platform=
s seems dunderheaded to me. So one of the things wrong with linux audio (fo=
r me) is the constant stream of expectations to replicate the experience of=
other platforms. It may happen, but I don't think it is a worthy drive=
for development. Yes, certain features may be worth emulating, but often t=
imes I get the feeling that people have a working setup on another platform=
, and then complain mostly because they have to give that up when they swit=
ch platforms. They then =A0get increasingly frustrated as they realize thin=
gs will just not be the same as they were when they had a working setup on =
the other platform. Which often makes me question why some people switch at=
all. =A0
A lot of the points raised in this thread are perfectly valid I'm sure=
from the perspective of the individuals raising them, and that's what =
this thread is about, but I'm going to take a stand against what seems =
to a trend of slagging the "audio geeks". For me that is exactly =
what makes linux unique, interesting, fun, and yes, sometimes frustrating. =
It is a system where the whole system is available to play and learn and gr=
ow as you grow as a musician or sound designer. Its never-ending openness a=
nd diversity limits its effectiveness in emulating windows or OSX, but linu=
x offers an open=A0palette=A0of learning opportunities. Linux has taught me=
more about system design and the bigger picture of digital audio than Wind=
ows and OSX ever did. Of course, that's hard to quantify because who kn=
ows what might have happened if I didn't switch all those years ago (fo=
r one thing I might have made more music and spent less time learning about=
systems), but linux is what it is and I'd rather spend time taking adv=
antage of what it is and then=A0bemoaning=A0what it isn't, as difficult=
as that can be sometimes.
2 minor units of currencyMichael

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Messages in current thread:
[LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Dave Phillips, (Tue Feb 5, 2:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Sun Feb 10, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Feb 7, 11:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Michael Bechard, (Thu Feb 7, 11:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 8, 12:06 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Michael Bechard, (Fri Feb 8, 12:25 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 8, 1:02 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 8, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Harry van Haaren, (Sat Feb 9, 1:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Feb 9, 12:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Sat Feb 9, 11:21 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, David Robillard, (Thu Feb 7, 3:25 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Thijs van severen, (Thu Feb 7, 12:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, David Robillard, (Fri Feb 8, 2:32 am)
Re: [LAD] [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, michael noble, (Wed Feb 6, 11:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Dominique Michel, (Wed Feb 6, 3:28 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Julien Claassen, (Tue Feb 5, 7:07 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Florian Paul Schmidt, (Wed Feb 6, 4:42 am)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Feb 5, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Thorsten Wilms, (Tue Feb 5, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Tue Feb 5, 7:09 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Johannes Kroll, (Tue Feb 5, 4:07 pm)
Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Michael Bechard, (Tue Feb 5, 3:47 pm)