Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24) - Once again free samples, this time more uplifting

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Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 10:13 pm

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Hi Nils,

On 31.08.2012, at 02:06, Nils wrote:

> Sadly many of those instruments are in .nki or .nk* format which is =
the Kontakt Player or Kontakt Something Fullversion format.=20

is hard work to guess how they should be arranged and what is needed. As =
far as I know the kontakt format has more features, such as scripting, =
than sfz, which is currently the "Linux sample flagship". I hope I am =
wrong here.

No, you're correct. As i've written in my other mail to LAD, todays =
sample libraries are much more than samples and the respective mapping =
on keys / velocity layers. Scripting and all the advanced engine =
features is what makes the difference. Just extracting the samples and =
mapping information from a Kontakt library will end up in very =
disappointing results.

> I know there are sample converter programs (for Windows) like Chicken =
Translator or the "W. Grabowski Extreme Sample Converter". I have used =
them and even simple conversions like sf2 to gig, or gig to sfz were =
always a bit odd or plain wrong. They have menu entries for Kontakt and =
EXS24 (the Apple Logic Sampler format, you see that quite often as well) =
but I don't believe that will actually produce accurate conversions.

Some of those tools are using a library which we'll provide to read and =
write the Kontakt format. Of course they can only convert the =
information supported by both the source and the destination format.

> Is there someone who knows more about these formats? Even if it is not =
possible to write a sampler engine (it would not be the first =
[partly]binary, closed format loaded by open source software) maybe =
there is at least a way to get all the needed information to =
convert/correct them by hand or individual scripts.

Besides the technical problem there is also a legal problem involved =
here. To protect the IP of sample developers the instruments sold by 3rd =
party developers are encrypted.

My guess would be that using something like Autosampler to capture a =
certain snapshot of a library and convert that into something that your =
favorite can read is by far the most promising solution. But of course =
this depends on what you're looking for.

Best,
Florian=

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Hi =
Nils,On 31.08.2012, at 02:06, Nils <list@nilsgey.de> wrote:Sadly many of those =
instruments are in .nki or .nk* format which is the Kontakt Player or =
Kontakt Something Fullversion format. The wave samples are (often? by design?) there as plain files, but it =
is hard work to guess how they should be arranged and what is needed. As =
far as I know the kontakt format has more features, such as scripting, =
than sfz, which is currently the "Linux sample flagship". I hope I am =
wrong here.No, =
you're correct. As i've written in my other mail to LAD, todays sample =
libraries are much more than samples and the respective mapping on keys =
/ velocity layers. Scripting and all the advanced engine features is =
what makes the difference. Just extracting the samples and mapping =
information from a Kontakt library will end up in very disappointing =
results.I know there are sample =
converter programs (for Windows) like Chicken Translator or the "W. =
Grabowski Extreme Sample Converter". I have used them and even simple =
conversions like sf2 to gig, or gig to sfz were always a bit odd or =
plain wrong. They have menu entries for Kontakt and EXS24 (the Apple =
Logic Sampler format, you see that quite often as well) but I don't =
believe that will actually produce accurate conversions.Some of those tools are using a =
library which we'll provide to read and write the Kontakt format. Of =
course they can only convert the information supported by both the =
source and the destination format.Is there someone who knows more about these formats? Even if it is not =
possible to write a sampler engine (it would not be the first =
[partly]binary, closed format loaded by open source software) maybe =
there is at least a way to get all the needed information to =
convert/correct them by hand or individual =
scripts.Besides the technical =
problem there is also a legal problem involved here. To protect the IP =
of sample developers the instruments sold by 3rd party developers are =
encrypted.
My guess would be that using something =
like Autosampler to capture a certain snapshot of a library and convert =
that into something that your favorite can read is by far the most =
promising solution. But of course this depends on what you're looking =
for.Best,   Florian=

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