Re: [LAD] Non Session Management

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To: Emanuel Rumpf <xbran@...>
Cc: <Linux-audio-dev@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 5:26 pm

On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 14:24 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:

I am not particularly interested in reinventing the file system. I'm
interested in a REALISTIC solution to the simple problem of session
management.

Anyway, these arguments only really make sense in at a hand-wavey level
of abstraction. Let's jump back to reality and give these files a name.

The user is going to delete, say, their grand piano sample bank, and
need a special program to tell them that this means all that stuff they
used that sample bank in will break? A user about to do so is actually
going to check with this special program before deleting things? Every
application is going to check with this special program before opening
things that may be used destructively? (What applications even open
things at random places on the file system destructively anyway).

Users capable of using music production software are perfectly capable
of loading files, and understanding that deleting things makes them go
away. I've made some disparaging user jokes in my day, but good
grief...

All of this is ridiculously fragile anyway, and depends on every single
file used by anything anywhere actually being imported in to the grand
central file store. That is a fantasy, not a feasible reality. Users
already have their organized collections of audio, samples, etc. and
they aren't going to throw away their organization scheme and import
them en-masse into this thing.

I will stress again the point that ignoring implementation burden is
guaranteed death of any such proposal. Facts:

* Every file used by an audio program is not, and will never be, in a
centralized location

* Many programs have pre-defined state structures where files must be
at particular paths. They can not and will not implement anything that
breaks this and requires them to use a special interface for loading
files

* Any simple link-like mechanism is equivalent in power, so any such
mechanism that isn't plain file-system links is imposing implementation
burden across every layer of thick systems (including existing
libraries), for little to no benefit

If this makes sense, let's hear something that *can not work* without
it. That might offset the MASSIVE implementation burden. Maybe.

-dr

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[LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 22, 10:55 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Thu Mar 22, 4:52 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 22, 6:59 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Thu Mar 22, 3:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 24, 3:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Mar 24, 10:09 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 9:24 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Thu Mar 29, 1:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Louigi Verona, (Thu Mar 29, 10:02 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 10:41 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 11:08 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, thijs van severen, (Thu Mar 29, 10:30 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 10:46 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, thijs van severen, (Thu Mar 29, 11:17 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Thu Mar 29, 2:22 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 2:35 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 11:21 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, thijs van severen, (Thu Mar 29, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 29, 11:34 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 26, 3:42 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 26, 3:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 26, 4:16 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Mon Mar 26, 6:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Mon Mar 26, 8:32 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 26, 9:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Wed Mar 28, 7:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, J. Liles, (Wed Mar 28, 8:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Wed Mar 28, 9:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Wed Mar 28, 9:28 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 26, 9:40 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, J. Liles, (Tue Mar 27, 12:15 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Mar 27, 7:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Lieven Moors, (Wed Mar 28, 9:28 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Mar 28, 8:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Tue Mar 27, 8:45 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Wed Mar 28, 1:28 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Wed Mar 28, 3:46 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Wed Mar 28, 12:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Burkhard Wölfel, (Fri Mar 30, 2:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Fri Mar 30, 5:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Wed Mar 28, 5:26 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, thijs van severen, (Wed Mar 28, 1:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Renato, (Wed Mar 28, 4:35 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Wed Mar 28, 5:33 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Wed Mar 28, 6:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Wed Mar 28, 6:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Thu Mar 29, 1:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Thu Mar 29, 6:21 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Apr 2, 9:33 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Wed Mar 28, 12:12 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Mon Mar 26, 11:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Tue Mar 27, 1:23 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Tue Mar 27, 12:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Wed Mar 28, 3:43 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Wed Mar 28, 12:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Wed Mar 28, 5:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Mon Mar 26, 9:59 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, J. Liles, (Mon Mar 26, 7:04 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 26, 4:21 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 26, 4:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Diego Simak, (Mon Mar 26, 8:17 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Emanuel Rumpf, (Mon Mar 26, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Diego Simak, (Mon Mar 26, 9:39 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, thijs van severen, (Thu Mar 22, 11:59 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, David Robillard, (Thu Mar 22, 2:54 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 22, 12:33 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Harry van Haaren, (Thu Mar 22, 1:52 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 22, 3:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Tim E. Real, (Sun Mar 25, 7:35 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Mar 25, 10:44 am)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, thijs van severen, (Thu Mar 22, 12:57 pm)
Re: [LAD] Non Session Management, rosea.grammostola, (Thu Mar 22, 12:53 pm)