Re: [LAD] libsuil (was: IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb)

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To: Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@...>
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Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 7:39 pm

On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 19:03 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:

I have no idea why this is something to :/ at...

> nice, but i figure it's a solution in a world where the host and the

Yes, it allows that by shifting the burden on the plugin authors (which
is even worse than doing it to host authors), encouraging half-assed
solutions, rampant copy/paste code duplication, bugs, and a high barrier
of entry for writing a plugin UI. On top of all that, it throws out
embedding and other niceties entirely. This is why it is a poor
solution.

> aha, you'll probably say there will be a plethora of

Yes, that is precisely the idea. It all gets implemented in one place,
and neither the host nor plugin authors have to worry about any of it.
This is the only solution where that is true. Making all the UI authors
deal with it (repeatedly, via half-assed solutions and copy paste code
duplication) is not a good solution.

People probably will start using these new toolkits, and it will Just
Work in all the host, for free, as soon as it's implemented here. This
is a Good Thing. (The same applies to a UI exposing a low level window
ID, by the way, but there is no longer any good reason to do that).

The point, that has been repeatedly missed (which is really starting to
get irritating), is that all this IMPLEMENTATION DETAIL has become just
that. The burden on you, as a host author, to worry about the "plethora
of combinations", has been removed. That burden has also been removed
from the UI authors (which is not true of the solutions you keep
championing. As for the "plethora", there simply aren't that many
toolkits, and the modules are neither large nor complicated, but
again... implementation detail. As far as you are concerned, the magic
library just works.

Suppose Fltk plugin UIs do come along. Wonderful. Implement that in
Suil, and it will just magically work in e.g. Qtractor and Ardour with
zero changes required.

In short: Problem Solved.

> sorry to be such a troll:) maybe i'll shut up now.

No future tense required, there it is. Make it happen. If I had a Qt
host to test with right now, I'd make sure Gtk2-in-Qt4 actually works,
release, and that's that.

That said, I think I will just modify the SLV2 API accordingly so you
don't have to use Suil directly, so maybe wait a day (but switching
would be easy, and the sooner I have something to test with, the sooner
this problem is solved, so don't let that stop you).

-dr

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[LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Tom Szilagyi, (Thu Jan 13, 6:37 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Tom Szilagyi, (Fri Jan 14, 8:29 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Wed Feb 9, 4:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Chris Cannam, (Wed Feb 23, 8:21 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Feb 24, 11:47 am)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Thu Feb 24, 4:57 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Thu Feb 24, 1:00 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Mon Feb 21, 7:40 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Rui Nuno Capela, (Wed Feb 9, 7:59 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Mon Feb 21, 7:22 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Jeremy Salwen, (Tue Feb 22, 4:53 am)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Stefano D'Angelo, (Tue Feb 22, 6:50 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Tue Feb 22, 8:29 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Feb 23, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Wed Feb 23, 4:32 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Philipp Überbacher, (Tue Feb 22, 10:31 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Feb 23, 11:00 am)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Feb 23, 1:43 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Paul Davis, (Thu Feb 24, 5:39 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Mark Knecht, (Sun Feb 27, 12:18 am)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Feb 24, 8:45 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Thu Feb 24, 9:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Feb 24, 9:39 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Feb 25, 11:28 am)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Michael Bechard, (Thu Feb 24, 8:13 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Paul Davis, (Thu Feb 24, 6:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Feb 24, 12:29 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Feb 23, 2:53 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [OT] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Nick Copeland, (Tue Feb 22, 8:34 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Paul Davis, (Tue Feb 22, 6:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Tue Feb 22, 8:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Rui Nuno Capela, (Mon Feb 21, 8:27 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Mon Feb 21, 10:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Rui Nuno Capela, (Mon Feb 21, 11:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Tue Feb 22, 2:56 am)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Tom Szilagyi, (Fri Jan 14, 10:29 am)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Mon Feb 21, 7:32 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, David Robillard, (Tue Feb 22, 5:52 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Paul Davis, (Tue Feb 22, 2:14 am)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Paul Davis, (Tue Feb 22, 4:57 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Paul Davis, (Tue Feb 22, 1:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Nick Copeland, (Tue Feb 22, 12:45 pm)
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Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Nick Copeland, (Tue Feb 22, 1:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Feb 22, 4:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] [OT] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb, Nick Copeland, (Tue Feb 22, 6:33 pm)
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