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On Thursday 27 January 2011 17:51:26 Raymond Martin wrote:

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> On January 27, 2011 11:08:30 am Paul Davis wrote:

> > ...

> > while i admire what you are trying to do with OOM/OOM2, the forking of

> > an existing, well-known project, without any attribution whatsoever,

> > or even acknowledgement of the fork, is troubling to say the least.

> It is not troubling at all. And completely in accord with licenses, the

> only real thing that matters.

I am _so_ glad the ideas of open source are not only about licenses...
> > if you had done this with ardour, i'd be raising bloody hell about it.

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> And you would have no right to say anything actually as long as the licen=

se

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> was adhered to.

He would have the right to be pissed (and quite rightly so). Taking and=20

modifying someone elses work and not giving credit is troubling. Even if yo=

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adhered to the license and didn't change the copyright notices...
> Any complaint that has nothing to do with licenses is just

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> moralizing.

Which is exactly what Paul Davis was talking about.
> I think we can all do without any of that noise, thank you.

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> Nobody has to thank you for your work. They might, but it is not required.

> Since you choose to put it out as FOSS this is exactly what you have agre=

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> to.

Strictly speaking in the term of laws you are correct. But as we gladly do =

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live in a world exclusively ruled by laws, there is more to it than what th=

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gpl says.
And FOSS is not only about a license. It is about giving credit where credi=

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is due (otherwise the license would just be the famous "public domain" or "=

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commercial public domain" or something like that).
But funnily enough while you accused Paul Davis of anger, it became clear t=

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the whole list (and the world internet) that in fact you guys have a big=20

problem with paul and his work. So much you read personal things into=20

everything he says...

BTW: He probably wouldn't have a problem with it if your website reads=20

"Because ardour broke on us and the devs didn't want to do what we wanted, =

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choose to fork muse". But apparently you have such a big problem with it th=

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even that is for you to much acknowledgment of pauls work...
Anyway good luck with your project. Always sign of a good start when not=20

technical facts but personal reasons made you start it...
Have fun,
Arnold
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