Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction

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Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010 - 12:17 pm

On 09/12/2010 01:35 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

Cool! Thank you :) I just wish it was plain SVG, I'm everything but familiar
with Blender and friends.

If you can do that, it would be great to commit these files to the Phat SVN.
Pixmaps are like binaries after all, and you got the sources.

> Great how those won't die, as much as I wish they would, while all the

Wow, brilliant and professional looking ideas in there..

> The main issue for me is that they always appear alien in GTK windows.

Well, to me, the phat knobs are currently the only simple solution that look ok
in a GTK Window. They're not that alien, there is worse..
Theming, that's a problem. About scalability, I was thinking about rendering SVG
with Cairo (maybe several layers), but that may not be realistic.

IMO, Knobs will always be borderline in regard to GTK UI rules, and that's not
such a big deal, if you provide the proper keyboard shortcuts, etc..

> Creating such a series for a knob animation with Inkscape is not exactly

I understand, that's quite complex. A simple solution could be to generate the
phat PNG "animation" from 3 SVG files with some python script. One could tweak
the SVG files (or intermediary PNG files) before doing so, adjusting borders if
needed, etc.. The result won't be scalable, but at least, a developer could
easily choose the style and size(s) he wants.

On the other hand, coded drawing may have the downside of fixed style and
anonymous look-and-feel. IMO, audio and music apps need eye-candy, they're not
just scientific instruments.

That said, there really are interesting GTK friendly ideas on your blog.

> With knobs, you still have a problem with putting them into a layout

Of course knobs have downsides. But, in a window, knobs can be appropriate for
certain settings, and you can use sliders for others. It can give some graphical
balance. A window full of sliders may not be attractive, and may lack usability.

--
Olivier

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[LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Sep 7, 6:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Niels Mayer, (Thu Sep 16, 12:18 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Thu Sep 16, 6:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Thu Sep 16, 8:46 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue Sep 7, 6:23 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Chris Cannam, (Tue Sep 7, 7:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Sep 7, 7:44 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Chris Cannam, (Tue Sep 7, 8:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Jens M Andreasen, (Thu Sep 9, 2:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Tue Sep 7, 6:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 7, 7:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Tue Sep 7, 7:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Wed Sep 8, 7:21 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Folderol, (Tue Sep 7, 6:34 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Tue Sep 7, 6:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 7, 7:44 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Sep 7, 7:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 7, 8:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Loki Davison, (Fri Sep 10, 12:37 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Fri Sep 10, 12:33 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Fri Sep 10, 4:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Sat Sep 11, 5:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sat Sep 11, 8:45 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Sun Sep 12, 10:39 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Johannes Kroll, (Tue Sep 14, 4:27 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Tue Sep 14, 4:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Wed Sep 15, 12:27 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Thorsten Wilms, (Sun Sep 12, 11:35 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Sun Sep 12, 12:17 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Sat Sep 11, 6:23 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Sun Sep 12, 10:29 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Tue Sep 14, 3:07 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 14, 10:44 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Loki Davison, (Sun Sep 12, 12:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Mon Sep 13, 1:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Mon Sep 13, 2:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Mon Sep 13, 2:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Mon Sep 13, 2:45 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 14, 8:49 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Wed Sep 15, 2:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Thu Sep 16, 8:52 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Thu Sep 16, 3:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Thu Sep 16, 6:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Igor Brkic, (Wed Sep 15, 7:39 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Wed Sep 15, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Wed Sep 15, 10:56 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Tue Sep 14, 10:03 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Mon Sep 13, 8:14 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Thorsten Wilms, (Tue Sep 14, 7:14 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 14, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Sep 7, 7:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Tue Sep 7, 6:29 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue Sep 7, 6:34 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Folderol, (Tue Sep 7, 6:37 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Tue Sep 7, 6:42 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Tue Sep 7, 10:01 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Sep 8, 8:36 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Andrew Bryant, (Wed Sep 8, 2:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Wed Sep 8, 5:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Sep 8, 7:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Wed Sep 8, 8:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Paul Davis, (Wed Sep 8, 8:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Wed Sep 8, 9:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Wed Sep 8, 9:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Wed Sep 8, 10:37 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Sep 8, 8:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Wed Sep 8, 8:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Sep 8, 10:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, , (Wed Sep 8, 8:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Alex, (Wed Sep 8, 9:38 pm)
[LAD] X behaviour (was Mouse/knob interaction), Andrew Bryant, (Thu Sep 9, 5:51 am)
Re: [LAD] X behaviour (was Mouse/knob interaction), Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Thu Sep 9, 6:11 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Sep 8, 10:28 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Sep 8, 3:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Andrew Bryant, (Wed Sep 8, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Arnold Krille, (Wed Sep 8, 10:06 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, , (Tue Sep 7, 8:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, David Adler, (Tue Sep 7, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Chris Cannam, (Tue Sep 7, 8:31 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, , (Tue Sep 7, 8:54 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 7, 8:35 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gordon JC Pearce, (Tue Sep 7, 8:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue Sep 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Tue Sep 7, 11:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Folderol, (Wed Sep 8, 7:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Tim E. Real, (Tue Sep 7, 11:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Olivier Guilyardi, (Wed Sep 8, 11:37 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, hermann, (Wed Sep 8, 5:30 am)
Re: [LAD] Mouse/knob interaction, Philipp Überbacher, (Tue Sep 7, 6:27 pm)