Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

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To: Tim E. Real <termtech@...>
Cc: ALSA Development Mailing List <alsa-devel@...>, <linux-audio-dev@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 - 9:01 pm

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Tim E. Real wrote:

Yep.

> They now go down to only -48dB instead of -144dB.

Truncated. At least for my purposes, the original faders w/ 144dB
dynamic range and linear mapping on the controls made the "business
end" of the gain -- the top 20-30dB -- occur over far to few pixels to
be controllable via mouse. At the same time the meters themselves go
down to -48dB and there is the whole
confusion about the scale-markings on the analog sliders versus the
meters. Now there's none. And the
"top end" of the slider is now more easily controllable by mouse. The
MIDI control and other more fine-grained control (e.g. via , e.g.
alsamixer-qt4, alsamixer, or other programs) is not affected.

In this new 'mudita24' interface, the input is set "off" when then
digital mixer input attenuator is moved below -48dB, but not via MIDI
or other external control. Therefore if someone actually needs to mix
an input at -48dB or lower, they can still use the MIDI controllers or
a different mixer like alsamixer-qt4 to set those kind of levels.
This seemed like a better compromise than wasting more than half the
slider real-estate to changes that can't even be heard (unless you've
got the volume turned way up).

If this is particularly bothersome please let me know and I guess I'll
add an option to give the full 0 to -144dB range back. However, if
you're doing that kind of mixing, perhaps using a different mixer than
the envy24's hardware mixer is more appropriate?

> Also, the 'active' colour of the meters seems way too 'soft'?

Yes, I see that this is very skin dependent and what is working for me
isn't working for others.
(Could you send a picture to show me what the coloration of your
meters ends up like on your system?)

Any suggestions on using a different built-in color so as to not worry
about contrast or visibility issues?

> This makes it very hard to see the meters in action.

Is there a known standard gnone name that can be applied to the
foreground color? Alternately, how about options --meterfg and
---meterbg that allow you to specify the colors?

> Also, sorry about this, I missed something in the ALSA dB reading

I'll have to look into this one... seems like a 1.0.2 is inevitable...

-----

We're all looking forward to these improvements.

> And finally, a reminder (also to myself) to try to avoid using newer gtk

I think it makes sense to update the minimum to gtk+-2.0 .. I'm not
sure what the ALSA folk think.

Also my use of gtk_label_set_markup() is another one of these newer functions.

-- Niels.
http://nielsmayer.com
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[LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Niels Mayer, (Sun Jul 25, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Jul 26, 10:13 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., James Morris, (Mon Jul 26, 10:52 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Jul 26, 11:00 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Jul 26, 10:34 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Takashi Iwai, (Mon Jul 26, 8:47 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Tim E. Real, (Sun Jul 25, 11:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Niels Mayer, (Mon Jul 26, 12:00 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Tim E. Real, (Sun Jul 25, 11:22 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Niels Mayer, (Sun Jul 25, 11:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Tim E. Real, (Tue Jul 27, 11:09 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Niels Mayer, (Wed Jul 28, 12:04 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Tim E. Real, (Thu Jul 29, 12:25 am)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Niels Mayer, (Wed Aug 4, 9:01 pm)
[LAD] detention :), Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Wed Jul 28, 10:39 am)
Re: [LAD] detention :), Dominic Sacré, (Wed Jul 28, 12:05 pm)
Re: [LAD] detention :), Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Tue Aug 3, 6:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] detention :), Niels Mayer, (Tue Aug 3, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., James Morris, (Sun Jul 25, 9:16 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., Niels Mayer, (Sun Jul 25, 11:16 pm)
Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition., James Morris, (Mon Jul 26, 7:51 am)