Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

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To: linux-audio-dev <linux-audio-dev@...>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 6:15 pm

Excerpts from Arnold Krille's message of 2010-04-18 19:42:00 +0200:

Jack isn't started automatically in every case, it depends on the
app, and afaik very few do it.

So you're effectively only reducing the size of the packages the user
has to install as dependencies of the music player.
I do package myself a little bit, and the package management system is
probably a few orders of magnitude simpler than apt, and so is the
packaging, but the basic issues are the same everywhere.
You always have to find the 'right' balance between features and
dependencies. Simplified, users want every feature but no dependency.
There's no way to do it, so you have to find a balance. The debian-like
system compiles the package with every feature but the user only needs
to install half the dependencies, and some more if he wants to use the
features.
The gentoo-/arch-like system allows the user to easily recompile and
install the package with whatever features he wants.

It's maybe a bit simplified, but that's how I see it.
I don't know how much trouble the absence of part of the program causes.
In my experience it can be quite bad, but there are some notable cases
where the developers did a good job. Example: moc
A music player that can be compiled with wavpack support, but if wavpack
is missing at runtime there's no problem, you simply can't load wavpack
files into it. I wish more programs would work like that.

> > In general it seems to be a matter of taste, and while debian folk sees

Arch Linux, the one I'm using these days.

> > IMHO it simply shouldn't get in the way.

My motto is: "Work with upstream."
So far my experience was great in that respect. Most developers are
happy about feedback and willing to help resolve packaging issues.

On a sidenote, I don't want to start a flamewar and discuss the merits
of different distributions. The differences are huge in some areas and
all have their benefits. While I switched from a debian derived distro
(ubuntu) and am very happy with the benefits Arch Linux offers I really
respect debian for the idealism and the broad spectrum the project tries
to cover.

Regards,
Philipp

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[LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, michael noble, (Fri Apr 16, 6:06 am)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 16, 7:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Fri Apr 16, 7:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 7:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Adrian Knoth, (Fri Apr 16, 9:21 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Christopher Cherrett, (Fri Apr 16, 6:32 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 6:37 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Christopher Cherrett, (Fri Apr 16, 6:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, hermann, (Fri Apr 16, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 7:14 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, torbenh, (Fri Apr 16, 4:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 5:16 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 4:52 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, hermann, (Fri Apr 16, 5:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 5:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Arnold Krille, (Fri Apr 16, 5:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 5:56 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Arnold Krille, (Sat Apr 17, 9:16 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Philipp, (Sat Apr 17, 10:14 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Arnold Krille, (Sun Apr 18, 5:42 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Philipp, (Sun Apr 18, 6:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ray Rashif, (Sun Apr 18, 6:14 pm)
[LAD] OT: distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 6:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] OT: distros migrating to JACK2?, Ray Rashif, (Sun Apr 18, 8:40 pm)
Re: [LAD] OT: distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 8:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 9:02 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Philipp, (Sun Apr 18, 9:10 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 9:27 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Adrian Knoth, (Sun Apr 18, 9:26 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Philipp, (Sun Apr 18, 9:45 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Adrian Knoth, (Sun Apr 18, 10:04 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 10:14 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 9:49 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Apr 18, 9:41 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, nescivi, (Sat Apr 17, 8:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 6:03 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 6:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, hermann, (Fri Apr 16, 5:54 pm)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Philipp, (Fri Apr 16, 9:32 am)
Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?, Adrian Knoth, (Fri Apr 16, 4:42 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 16, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Adrian Knoth, (Fri Apr 16, 7:37 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 9:33 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ray Rashif, (Fri Apr 16, 8:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 7:56 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Adrian Knoth, (Fri Apr 16, 8:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Apr 16, 9:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 16, 7:46 pm)