Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

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Cc: Philipp <hollunder@...>
Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 - 1:15 pm

On Sunday, November 14, 2010 01:01:17 am fons@kokkinizita.net wrote:

'Fixed' that issue in git, thanks for notifying me (again hehe) about this
issue!

> Let me guess: a combination of a badly designed widget that has no

Hmm, you never used Traverso I see ... at least not in the way it should be
used: there are no widgets in Traverso to control gain/pan values.

But you are correct that the pan/gain 'indicators' have less precision then
the actual gain/pan values.

One of the reasons I didn't fix this earlier is due I've no idea how much
precision is needed. I.e. how small a step value do we want/need for gain and
pan, and do we actually want to show that in the indicator? E.g. a value of
-3.05 dB is a bit overkill?
Right now gain increment steps are 0.05 dB for gain, and there are 200 steps
for pan normalized between -1, 1

I've to admit I didn't read all the panning emails, will do so today, maybe
there was some conclusion drawn with respect to how panning has to be applied
and the needed resolution for the pan value ?

Just some thoughts: rotary knob controls are better to control by the human
then sliders are, probably due the movements of the fingers are much more
precise?
The use of sliders vs knobs in software imho still is a different issue since
you have to control those with a mouse, right?
And this mouse movement dictates how good the movement (and precision of that
movement) can be done in combination with how the knob/slider 'widget' is
implemented. E.g. the width of the slider is 100 pixels, then you can't use
more then 100 steps.

Traverso does away with that by using the relative mouse moving distance,
allowing for mouse movements to be translated in relatively small gain/pan
adjustements in effect giving the user a much better control over the
gain/pan/other values. Side effect is that the mouse can be moved physically
for over long distances without being limited by screen sizes, so no matter if
you're using a large or small screen, a large or small knob/slider, it always
feels the same, with much more precision :)
(remember, Traverso does NOT use sliders/knobs to control values those are
just indicators)

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Ciao, Remon
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[LAD] panning thoughts, Eric Kampman, (Fri Nov 12, 4:22 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Jens M Andreasen, (Fri Nov 12, 9:41 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Fri Nov 12, 7:00 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Nov 13, 3:22 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sat Nov 13, 10:43 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Eric Kampman, (Fri Nov 12, 3:14 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, gene heskett, (Fri Nov 12, 4:47 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Arnold Krille, (Fri Nov 12, 10:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Folderol, (Sat Nov 13, 9:07 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Paul Davis, (Sat Nov 13, 1:09 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Folderol, (Sat Nov 13, 2:57 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sat Nov 13, 3:26 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Nov 13, 5:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Arnold Krille, (Sat Nov 13, 6:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Nov 14, 5:15 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Arnold Krille, (Sun Nov 14, 3:04 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Folderol, (Sun Nov 14, 3:39 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Jens M Andreasen, (Sun Nov 14, 6:17 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sun Nov 14, 11:37 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Rui Nuno Capela, (Sun Nov 14, 11:17 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Nov 14, 1:00 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Paul Davis, (Sun Nov 14, 11:27 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Rui Nuno Capela, (Sun Nov 14, 4:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sat Nov 13, 10:54 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Nov 13, 1:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Philipp Überbacher, (Sat Nov 13, 5:07 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sat Nov 13, 8:18 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, James Morris, (Sat Nov 13, 8:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Philipp Überbacher, (Sat Nov 13, 10:44 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sun Nov 14, 12:01 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Remon Sijrier, (Mon Nov 22, 1:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Mon Nov 22, 2:36 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Remon Sijrier, (Mon Nov 22, 7:06 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Nov 22, 9:00 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, David Olofson, (Sat Nov 13, 5:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Philipp Überbacher, (Sat Nov 13, 5:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Sat Nov 13, 3:04 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Nov 13, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, , (Fri Nov 12, 9:18 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Eric Kampman, (Fri Nov 12, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Nov 12, 5:40 am)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Eric Kampman, (Fri Nov 12, 3:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Rui Nuno Capela, (Fri Nov 12, 3:44 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Nov 12, 4:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] panning thoughts, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Nov 12, 3:32 pm)