Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ...

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On Sunday 10 October 2010, at 10.01.09, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Are they actually using the softsynths for monitor sound when *recording*
"live" MIDI?

I don't know how most people work these days, in my experience, one tends to
have the MIDI stuff sequenced and arranged already when arriving at the
studio, in which case "live" MIDI latency and jitter are no issues.

> I never experienced jitter for soft synth, when using Cubase

There has to be quite a bit of jitter before one actually hears it as such,
and as to fixed latency, tolerances are even higher.

Most people apparently don't even hear the "random" timing that's applied to
anything you play on a hardware synth driven via standard MIDI - but if you're
used to oldschool trackers and other software with sample accurate timing, you
can tell something is "off".

(Obviously, this would be next to impossible to notice unless we're dealing
with 100% quantized electronic music. "Human feel" would probably mask
anything that's off by less than one or two ms or so.)

As to live playing, I doubt a normal human being would even know what (s)he's
missing before actually trying something with sub 3 ms latency and sub 1 ms
jitter. You can't hear the difference, but you can certainly feel it! I
suspect drummers would be particularly sensitive to this.

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On Sunday 10 October 2010, at 10.01.09, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:

Are they actually using the softsynths for monitor sound when *recording* "live" MIDI?

I don't know how most people work these days, in my experience, one tends to have the MIDI stuff sequenced and arranged already when arriving at the studio, in which case "live" MIDI latency and jitter are no issues.

> I never experienced jitter for soft synth, when using Cubase

There has to be quite a bit of jitter before one actually hears it as such, and as to fixed latency, tolerances are even higher.

Most people apparently don't even hear the "random" timing that's applied to anything you play on a hardware synth driven via standard MIDI - but if you're used to oldschool trackers and other software with sample accurate timing, you can tell something is "off".

(Obviously, this would be next to impossible to notice unless we're dealing with 100% quantized electronic music. "Human feel" would probably mask anything that's off by less than one or two ms or so.)

As to live playing, I doubt a normal human being would even know what (s)he's missing before actually trying something with sub 3 ms latency and sub 1 ms jitter. You can't hear the difference, but you can certainly feel it! I suspect drummers would be particularly sensitive to this.

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//David Olofson - Developer, Artist, Open Source Advocate

.--- Games, examples, libraries, scripting, sound, music, graphics ---.
| http://olofson.net http://kobodeluxe.com http://audiality.org |
| http://eel.olofson.net http://zeespace.net http://reologica.se |
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Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ..., Jeff McClintock, (Sun Oct 10, 4:59 am)
Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ..., Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Oct 10, 8:01 am)
Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ..., David Olofson, (Sun Oct 10, 12:40 pm)
Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ..., Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Oct 10, 4:31 pm)
Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ..., Geoff Beasley, (Sun Oct 10, 6:11 am)
Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ..., drew Roberts, (Sun Oct 10, 1:12 pm)