Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux

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To: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@...>
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Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009 - 4:13 pm

On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 14:07 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

Pulse is also entirely useless for 'serious' audio use, making it not a
good audio system in general. It solves the desktop apps that go bonk
problem, no more. The latency is terrible, no patching, AFAIK no MIDI
involved whatsoever, daemon overhead without the potential advantages
thereof (synchronous, ala jack), etc.

> Let's just fix the interaction between pulse and jack and be done with

That is one solution.

> It's harmful to suggest that it things are less than they are

Read the user posts in this thread, or ths post that started it. Things
are as they are. Pretending everything is fantastic when it's not
doesn't help either.

Things are definitely not "fantastic" until a noob can run e.g.
hydrogen, run ardour, then record some things with a few clicks in their
cute little desktop menu. Most users don't go through the tedious
process of "setting up" everything, then writing blog posts, etc. etc.
They take one look, then decide "linux sucks for music", and go back to
Win/OSX.

This is currently a big, real problem - not an exaggeration on my part.
Neither pulse or jack solve the "THE audio system" problem, and they
don't work well together.

-dr

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