Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux

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To: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@...>
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Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009 - 10:01 am

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On 08/06/2009 04:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

And your point is what exactly? That Paul should give a toss about those
people? That he or others on this list should just accept the continual
negative feedback from yourself and Gram? That Linux focused mailing
lists are is not suitable places for the people you know to get support
for technical issues?

I know lots of people who will never intentionally use Linux because
they don't know what it is.

I also know lots of people who will never use Linux because they can't
handle the pace and requirements that come with running a Linux Audio
system for professional use.

I also know lots of people who would rather pay me or someone else with
technical expertise to manage their system for them.

I also know lots of people who are unable or too cheap to pay me or
someone with technical expertise to manage their system for them and
most of them still ask me for help at every opportunity.

Some anti Linux people like to promote the idea that Linux people are
less open to their needs than people on other platforms. It seems to me
that this attitude comes from a limited understanding of how the open
source community works.

It's a fairly simple concept. Basically anyone who is unable to help
themselves shouldn't use Linux unless they are prepared to learn how.
That includes learning how to communicate effectively to the people that
are putting in the effort to make things work.

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

> For flame-wars please reply off-list ;). I'll ignore it :).

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On 08/06/2009 04:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

This is why I know so many people who never ever will use Linux, because
of noise like yours Paul.

And your point is what exactly? That Paul should give a toss about
those people? That he or others on this list should just accept the
continual negative feedback from yourself and Gram? That Linux focused
mailing lists are is not suitable places for the people you know to get
support for technical issues?

I know lots of people who will never intentionally use Linux because
they don't know what it is.

I also know lots of people who will never use Linux because they can't
handle the pace and requirements that come with running a Linux Audio
system for professional use.

I also know lots of people who would rather pay me or someone else with
technical expertise to manage their system for them.

I also know lots of people who are unable or too cheap to pay me or
someone with technical  expertise to manage their system for them and
most of them still ask me for help at every opportunity.

Some anti Linux people like to promote the idea that Linux people are
less open to their needs than people on other platforms. It seems to me
that this attitude comes from a limited understanding of how the open
source community works.

It's a fairly simple concept. Basically anyone who is unable to help
themselves shouldn't use Linux unless they are prepared to learn how. 
That includes learning how to communicate effectively to the people
that are putting in the effort to make things work.

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

For flame-wars please reply off-list ;). I'll ignore it :).

Ralf
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[LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Frank Barknecht, (Wed Aug 5, 8:41 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Chuckk Hubbard, (Fri Aug 7, 5:46 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Jens M Andreasen, (Wed Aug 5, 7:54 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, David Robillard, (Wed Aug 5, 8:16 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Aug 6, 4:08 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, David Robillard, (Thu Aug 6, 4:13 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Grammostola Rosea, (Thu Aug 6, 8:22 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Grammostola Rosea, (Wed Aug 5, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Chuckk Hubbard, (Fri Aug 7, 5:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Jens M Andreasen, (Fri Aug 7, 8:26 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Chuckk Hubbard, (Sat Aug 8, 12:40 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, David Robillard, (Sat Aug 8, 4:50 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Chuckk Hubbard, (Tue Aug 11, 2:07 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Thomas Vecchione, (Sat Aug 8, 12:57 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 9:31 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Malte Steiner, (Wed Aug 5, 10:54 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 9:51 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Malte Steiner, (Thu Aug 6, 12:41 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 1:24 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Aug 6, 1:43 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, hermann, (Thu Aug 6, 5:52 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 10:26 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, hermann, (Thu Aug 6, 12:10 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Aug 6, 10:33 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 11:35 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Aug 6, 11:43 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 12:02 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Aug 6, 12:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Thomas Vecchione, (Thu Aug 6, 6:04 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Paul Davis, (Wed Aug 5, 10:53 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 9:43 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Paul Davis, (Fri Aug 7, 1:46 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Christian, (Fri Aug 7, 8:00 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, David Robillard, (Thu Aug 6, 4:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Aug 6, 10:01 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 11:20 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 11:23 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Jens M Andreasen, (Thu Aug 6, 1:04 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, David Robillard, (Thu Aug 6, 4:28 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Thu Aug 6, 6:38 pm)
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Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, David Robillard, (Thu Aug 6, 10:31 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 10:38 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, victor, (Thu Aug 6, 7:04 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Jens M Andreasen, (Thu Aug 6, 2:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Aug 6, 2:27 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Grammostola Rosea, (Thu Aug 6, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Albert Graef, (Wed Aug 5, 4:20 pm)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, victor, (Wed Aug 5, 9:14 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Aug 5, 9:57 am)
Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, victor, (Wed Aug 5, 1:13 pm)
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Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Aug 5, 12:32 pm)
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Re: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Aug 5, 1:58 pm)
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