Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

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From: Lennart Poettering <mzynq@...>

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Subject: Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 12:00 am

On Tue, 23.06.09 01:38, Dennis Schulmeister (linux-audio-dev@windows3.de) wrote:

> So after reading all those messages I'm somewhat left up wondering if

quoted text

> the addressed problem (real-time audio for desktop applications) really
> is an existing problem. The same goes for the theoretical threat of a
> rt-fork bomb. Just because in theory someone could write such a program
> and make it run on a someone else's machine doesn't seem like enough
> reasoning for implementing a protection mechanism on a large user base.
> In theory there are much more real threats for the average user which
> nobody cared to address. And it has been shown that in theory the
> suggested protection mechanism can be circumvented, too.

Take it from a desktop developer: it does make a difference if PA is
RT or not.

And there are no plans to make every media player RT. Nobody is
suggesting that.

Lennart

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 1:32 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Adam Sampson, (Mon Jun 22, 7:52 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Adam Sampson, (Mon Jun 22, 3:34 pm)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Sun Jun 21, 11:40 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 12:10 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Arnold Krille, (Mon Jun 22, 7:33 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 12:06 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 1:38 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Jun 22, 6:15 pm)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 8:04 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Jun 22, 9:18 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Jun 22, 11:33 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 11:53 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Tue Jun 23, 12:33 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jun 22, 2:38 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Krzysztof Foltman, (Mon Jun 22, 4:14 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jun 22, 4:38 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Krzysztof Foltman, (Mon Jun 22, 4:58 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jun 22, 8:00 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Jun 22, 6:05 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 3:21 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jun 22, 3:41 pm)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 3:34 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Paul Davis, (Mon Jun 22, 3:53 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 4:26 pm)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 12:21 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 9:37 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jun 22, 10:41 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 10:50 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Bob Ham, (Tue Jun 23, 10:59 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Gene Heskett, (Tue Jun 23, 3:38 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jun 23, 12:08 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Chris Cannam, (Tue Jun 23, 8:56 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jun 23, 9:22 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Chris Cannam, (Tue Jun 23, 11:44 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Jun 23, 8:43 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., drew Roberts, (Mon Jun 22, 10:02 pm)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Lennart Poettering, (Mon Jun 22, 10:02 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Tue Jun 23, 8:44 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Paul Davis, (Tue Jun 23, 5:12 pm)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Tue Jun 23, 8:14 pm)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Fri Jun 26, 5:53 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Wed Jun 24, 3:21 am)

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Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Wed Jun 24, 3:23 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Patrick Shirkey, (Wed Jun 24, 3:33 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Wed Jun 24, 4:25 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Gene Heskett, (Wed Jun 24, 11:55 am)

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by defaul..., Stephen Sinclair, (Wed Jun 24, 11:38 am)

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