Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service

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Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 5:44 pm

I'm getting the feeling that there have been some misunderstandings in this
discussion. Let's see if I can help with them, or if I'll just end up
confusing things more. :)

On Wednesday 23 January 2008 00:18:48 Bob Ham wrote:

I don't think Nedko's proposal is motivated by a desire to work around
existing bugs. Sure, abstracting the LASH <-> JACK interface with D-Bus may
result in a less crash-prone lashd (i.e. if jackd goes down it won't take
lashd with it), but this is hardly the point. And I don't think that it would
cause the users to develop an indifferent attitude towards sound server
crashes. (For that we'd have to write an autorestart-on-crash feature that
would prevent any hiccups in the sound stream. :))

> A layer that abstracts away the incidental

If such a layer could be beneficial (which is my belief also), why do you
think that it's outside the scope of LASH planned improvements?

> To view LASH as the centre of a linux audio system is to misunderstand

I personally don't see LASH as the centre of the audio system, and I'm not
sure that Nedko meant to say that either.

> Patchage was always the intended style of interface for managing LASH

I think we all agree on that. LASH isn't the controller application, it's
something that a controller application needs to fulfill its purpose.

> It seems that what you want is Patchage++. Unfortunately, LASH isn't

Yes, at least I would like to see the day when one application can manage
everything that the concept of an "audio session" includes (Patchage is
probably pretty good already). But you've misunderstood the purpose of this
discussion. We're not out to turn LASH into a super daemon/application of the
sort that you're worried about. What we are trying to do is to think of how
the interfaces and features of LASH could better help support a controller
application's operation.

Juuso
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[LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Mon Jan 21, 2:12 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Tue Jan 22, 1:39 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Jan 23, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Thu Jan 24, 3:51 am)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Fons Adriaensen, (Thu Jan 24, 12:17 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Fri Jan 25, 12:13 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Wed Jan 23, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Marc-Olivier Barre, (Wed Jan 23, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Tue Jan 22, 7:32 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Tue Jan 22, 7:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Thu Jan 24, 2:54 am)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Wed Jan 23, 5:44 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Fri Jan 25, 12:04 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Sat Jan 26, 8:25 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Krzysztof Foltman, (Fri Jan 25, 12:34 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Thu Jan 24, 3:33 am)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Krzysztof Foltman, (Thu Jan 24, 10:26 am)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Fri Jan 25, 12:08 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Fri Jan 25, 12:11 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Paul Davis, (Fri Jan 25, 5:51 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Tue Jan 22, 4:56 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Tue Jan 22, 6:59 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Tue Jan 22, 7:21 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Tue Jan 22, 7:26 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Nedko Arnaudov, (Tue Jan 22, 5:13 pm)
Re: [LAD] Summercode 2008: LASH as a D-Bus service, Juuso Alasuutari, (Tue Jan 22, 6:40 pm)