[Consortium] Re: Fwd: [edmemo] Re. Letter in August Edition from Daniel James

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To: Neil Wilkes <neilwilkes@...>
Cc: <consortium@...>, Sam Inglis <sam@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 11:04 pm

Hello Neil,

> > I would like to write this as a direct response to your letter in

It does appear we disagree on some points.

> > You quote the open source folks - let me point you directly at

Do you mean http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/ ? That site explicitly
says that the code does not support Meridian Lossless Packing used in
commercial discs.

> > This is illegal - it is a criminal offence to do that.

If you could point me towards the law that says that, I'd appreciate
it. I understood that reverse engineering for the purposes of making
systems compatible was legal in many countries, but not in the USA if
it circumvents a copy-protection mechanism.

> > And the argument that software is not property in the same sense

If you can invent a physical property replicator, you could make a
fortune on eBay. Maybe someone has, and they're keeping it quiet for
this very reason.

> > Just because it is technically possible to burn an illegal copy

Please note that I was talking about free software. It's explicitly
legal to burn a copy.

> > it is still theft, according to the terms of laws in the UK.

No, it's not. Even if it's proprietary software, it's copyright
infringement - different law. Free software also depends on copyright
to enforce its licensing terms, so I'm not knocking the validity or
usefulness of copyright.

> > It

Do you have any evidence for this statement, or have you done any
research? You might like to read Selective Enforcement of Copyright
as an Optimal Monopolistic Behavior:

http://www.bepress.com/bejeap/contributions/vol3/iss1/art18/

> > And the closing arguments made about the cost of Nuendo being

I didn't say it was extortionate, I meant that if people pay that much
for a single copy of an application they might expect to get bugfix
updates included in the price. That's just good customer service.

> > When you consider that out of the box you get full AES31, OMF and

I didn't say ProTools was better value. I wasn't making a comparison
between different proprietary applications.

> > As for the "known

No need, I know that software has bugs - that's one of the points I
was making.

> > And as a regular in the Nuendo forums, I am constantly

I'm not defending people who infringe copyright, quite the opposite. I
would rather people used free software than infringe copyright.

> > I can give many examples of

Oh please! I'm not even a Nuendo user.

> > And Audio apps are not the only ones either. I also moderate at

I'm sure that happens a lot, but it never happens to me. I use Linux
and free software for nearly everything. I do have a copy of Adobe
Reader, but I downloaded that from Adobe's own site.

> > You state you won't "just lend your guitar to anyone" in one

I'm not denying anyone anything, and in fact I would like to see
proprietary software companies make it difficult to copy their
software - reintroducing hardware dongles, for instance. Their
userbase would probably drop to a tiny fraction of what it is now.

> > Our industry needs thieves like it needs an extra hole in the

We agree on that. There's more than one kind of rip-off though.

> > I wonder how much stolen software is installed to your

None at all. I don't even have a copy of Windows, so I'm not sure how
I could run it even if I had it. Would you like a package list from
this machine?

Cheers!

Daniel

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