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| * drobilla` tries to figure out how to make nuklear UIs readable without a magnifying glass | 16:42 | |
| drobilla` | Why do I have a feeling that dealing with the DPI problem cross-platform is a horrible nightmare | 16:43 |
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| rgareus | drobilla: automatically detecting DPI? | 17:15 |
| rgareus | just let the user scale it. that's what most plugins do these days. | 17:17 |
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| ventosus | mine should scale with <Ctrl> mouse wheel or <Ctrl> +- | 17:51 |
| ventosus | they alsoshould honor an env variable NK_SCALE=1.5 or whathever | 17:52 |
| drobilla | Yeah, just idly tinkering, really | 17:56 |
| drobilla | ventosus: Text in nuk.lv2 becomes boxes for me past a certain scale for some reason | 17:56 |
| ventosus | drobilla: can reproduce this here, too | 17:59 |
| ventosus | strange, indeed | 17:59 |
| ventosus | happens at a font height of 36px | 18:03 |
| ventosus | let's try an other font | 18:03 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Yeah, vaguely reasonable defaults would be nice though. I just noticed that all nuklear stuff is completely unusable out of the box for me | 18:04 |
| drobilla | If this were 10 years ago and we hadn't done basically every possible thing wrong since, there'd be an env var with the scaling factor or something (or DPI would actually mean something so there wouldn't be a ridiculous scaling factor thing at all), but c'est la vie | 18:05 |
| ventosus | well, would be nice if a plugin ui could get that info from the host | 18:08 |
| ventosus | an ui:DPIorwhathever option | 18:08 |
| drobilla | Maybe, but seems like a job for whatever UI lib/toolkit/whatever to me | 18:09 |
| ventosus | or that, yes | 18:11 |
| ventosus | well, there are no boxes with a different font | 18:12 |
| ventosus | so I blame the font, or the font + font loading/rendering shim in nuklear | 18:12 |
| drobilla | weird | 18:13 |
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| ventosus | drobilla: there's actually some code in my nuklear/pugl wrapper (I forgot about) to get DPI from X | 18:42 |
| ventosus | works as intended here in a fake highDPI Xephyr | 18:43 |
| ventosus | cannot test on real highDPI hardware, though | 18:43 |
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| drobilla | ventosus: Yeah, saw that | 18:59 |
| drobilla | ventosus: Not sure if the width and height provided are real. The DPI from X these days is basically always a lie | 18:59 |
| * drobilla needs to actually run with a portable UI solution one of these days | 19:00 | |
| drobilla | The immediate mode thing is pretty cool, I was skeptical but it seems to work well | 19:00 |
| drobilla | nuklear itself is a horrible mess, but it works well and looks nice (usually except for text but I imagine this is surmountable to at least some extent, it always sucks on GL a bit) | 19:01 |
| ventosus | well, when X lies, I'm screwd, I guess | 19:01 |
| ventosus | If you don't want to draw too much, immediate mode works great, yes | 19:02 |
| ventosus | code is horrible no navigate, indeed | 19:02 |
| ventosus | s/no/to | 19:03 |
| drobilla | Yeah, basically everything is screwed. Somebody, in their infinite wisdom, decided that DPI is always 96 everywhere and instead you have a scale factor. So DPI is completely meaningless and consistent size is impossible. Yay! | 19:04 |
| drobilla | (I like the part where this was justified as some kind of compatibility/migration thing but High DPI on the Linux desktop is still an embarrassing mess however many years later) | 19:04 |
| * ventosus reads HiDPI entry in Arch wiki and wants to run away | 19:12 | |
| drobilla | Heh, yeah, it's really bad | 19:15 |
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| ventosus | a lot of software seems to honor Xft.dpi in ~.Xresources | 20:31 |
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| ventosus | well, if glfw, i3, awesome, xfce, gtk, chromium, mozilla honor Xft.dpi, I'll do so, too | 21:01 |
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| rgareus | I thought the issue was about x-platform DPI?! | 22:17 |
| m4l3z | Hey | 22:19 |
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