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| jcelerier | hello :) does someone knows if a cross-platform VST2 -> LV2 wrapper exists ? eg something that would allow to load a single VST plug-in behind an LV2 plug-in. | 20:58 |
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| rgareus | jcelerier: I'm not sure if it's feasible. | 20:59 |
| rgareus | LV2 -> VST, yes (you can /hide/ LV2 complexities, a small lv2-mini-host for worker-threaad etc) | 21:00 |
| rgareus | but VST-> LV2, I think you'll have a hard time emulating the masterCallback | 21:00 |
| rgareus | atom sequences (eg. MIDI, time etc) arrive in LV2's run() RT context in run and would have to be turned into VST callbacks.. likewise parameter-automation for the GUI.. tricky | 21:02 |
| jcelerier | thanks rgareus | 21:03 |
| rgareus | it's not impossble though. -- then again: is there a LV2 host that does not support VST2? | 21:04 |
| jcelerier | well.. the one I'm working on :p | 21:05 |
| rgareus | Carla has a bridge. you can load Carla as LV2 plugin and load VSTs inside Carla | 21:07 |
| jcelerier | hmmm... I've tried but couldn't get Carla to load a single of my vsts | 21:08 |
| rgareus | I think that also won't expose plugin parameters (for automation) | 21:09 |
| rgareus | falktx: ^^ | 21:09 |
| rgareus | jcelerier: not sure if it's helpful, but the opposite way LV2 -> VST: https://github.com/x42/lv2vst | 21:10 |
| jcelerier | rgareus: yep, I stumbled upon this... I guess I'll just go with adding that vst support | 21:12 |
| jcelerier | thanks! | 21:12 |
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| jcelerier | now where is that coffee :p | 21:13 |
| rgareus | empty | 21:13 |
| * rgareus drank it | 21:13 | |
| rgareus | all | 21:13 |
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| falktx | not parameters exposed yet, correct | 21:37 |
| falktx | I did not receive a bug about not bein able to load VST plugins though... ;) | 21:37 |
| falktx | you can even drag&drop them now | 21:38 |
| jcelerier | falktx: I just tested for a few minutes to see how it worked, I'm sure it's nothing too bad | 21:47 |
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| jcelerier | also, there's something I don't really understand with LV2. the justification I could read for it having each UI toolkit to reimplement is because you can't have in the same address space for instance a host that uses Qt4 and a plug-in that uses Qt5 | 22:08 |
| jcelerier | or even two different versions of GTK | 22:08 |
| jcelerier | but hasn't this been solved... dunno... ten years ago with `dlmopen` ? | 22:09 |
| jcelerier | twenty* | 22:09 |
| falktx | even if you get that going, does it scale? how do you drive the event loop? what do you do when file dialogs blocking the entire host ui? | 22:10 |
| falktx | gtk4 is coming very soon | 22:11 |
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| jcelerier | well, that's the point: it shouldn't matter that gtk4 comes very soon | 22:23 |
| jcelerier | or whatever other toolkit | 22:23 |
| jcelerier | there will always be more people developing GUI toolkits than audio developers | 22:24 |
| jcelerier | (and as an audio developer I'd rather try to code audio stuff than handle every UI toolkit in the world) | 22:24 |
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