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| falktx|work | https://github.com/moddevices/mod-lv2-data/tree/master/generate-default-preset :) | 13:03 |
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| rgareus | falktx|work: what's the use case? | 13:44 |
| rgareus | reset all to default? | 13:44 |
| rgareus | actually that's something I want to see added to the UI in MOD a button at the top of every plugin | 13:45 |
| rgareus | not go via preset-management | 13:45 |
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| falktx|work | this is a start | 13:54 |
| rgareus | will there we a way back? | 13:55 |
| falktx|work | what? | 13:55 |
| rgareus | what happens if I save/override this preset? | 13:55 |
| falktx|work | you can't | 13:55 |
| rgareus | I think conceptually it's not correct. | 13:55 |
| falktx|work | it comes bundles with the plugin, so it's a factory preset | 13:55 |
| falktx|work | *bundled | 13:55 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: our idea is to allow the user to set a default preset | 13:56 |
| rgareus | sadly there are no "factory presets" | 13:56 |
| falktx|work | which gets loaded when the plugin is added for the first time | 13:56 |
| rgareus | http://dev.drobilla.net/ticket/1117 | 13:56 |
| falktx|work | I beg to differ... https://github.com/moddevices/mod-ui/blob/master/utils/utils_lilv.cpp#L662 | 13:57 |
| falktx|work | presetpath != NULL => user preset (not factory) | 13:58 |
| rgareus | falktx|work: would you mind commenting on that bug ticket, then? | 13:58 |
| falktx|work | ok | 13:59 |
| rgareus | as for the workaround. could "generate-default-preset" be built into the host? | 14:01 |
| rgareus | ie don't actually generate a preset *file*, but have the host build it on demand from the defaults in the .ttl | 14:01 |
| falktx|work | that is tricky | 14:07 |
| falktx|work | the plugin might already contain a default preset | 14:07 |
| falktx|work | mine from DPF do | 14:07 |
| falktx|work | so the host would have to go through all presets and compare names | 14:07 |
| rgareus | remove the defaults from DPF | 14:10 |
| rgareus | really duplicating information seems wrong to me. | 14:10 |
| rgareus | why do you think every port in the .tll does have a default: ? | 14:11 |
| rgareus | instead of a the plugin itself specifying : default-preset | 14:11 |
| falktx|work | the default is there for sane values on init | 14:12 |
| rgareus | so could a default-preset | 14:12 |
| falktx|work | it's very handy for DSSI where the default value is limited to some hints | 14:12 |
| rgareus | LADSPA had the same issue | 14:13 |
| falktx|work | yeah | 14:13 |
| falktx|work | dpf doesn't export ladspa presets. not sure if I care :) | 14:13 |
| rgareus | I understand that MOD already has preset loading but no "reset this/reset all" controls. so this is indeed a nice workaround | 14:14 |
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| rgareus | but I still think that replicating information is not a great solution. | 14:15 |
| falktx|work | we also have an empty preset widget for most plugins | 14:16 |
| falktx|work | having a default in there is pretty nice | 14:16 |
| falktx|work | well, better than nothing | 14:16 |
| falktx|work | can't really be a 'reset params' and presets have more than that sometimes | 14:17 |
| falktx|work | *as | 14:17 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: btw, setbfree does not have the state:loadAsDefault thing | 14:18 |
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| falktx|work | http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/state/#loadDefaultState | 14:19 |
| rgareus | it's not currently feasible. | 14:19 |
| falktx|work | that would be the equivalent of lv2:default | 14:19 |
| falktx|work | so a default preset makes sense for this case | 14:20 |
| rgareus | since there's also setBree the JACK app. | 14:20 |
| rgareus | presets are NOT Lv2 state | 14:20 |
| falktx|work | hm, how so? | 14:20 |
| rgareus | it predates LV2 | 14:20 |
| falktx|work | you know I mean lv2 presets.. | 14:21 |
| rgareus | lv2 state only came into existence sometime 2012 | 14:21 |
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| rgareus | and I won't add a lilv or serd dependency to setbfree only to share bindings ect | 14:21 |
| falktx|work | I think you're confusing things | 14:22 |
| falktx|work | "loadDefaultState" is the same as generated by the plugin state store | 14:22 |
| falktx|work | but static on the plugin ttl | 14:23 |
| falktx|work | the plugin doesn't have to know anything about lilv | 14:23 |
| rgareus | why would setBfree need it? | 14:23 |
| rgareus | it has no controls | 14:23 |
| falktx|work | exactly! | 14:23 |
| falktx|work | that's why a lv2 preset to reset things to the default makes sense | 14:23 |
| rgareus | there's a factory reset button in the GUI | 14:25 |
| rgareus | it's not a static state though | 14:26 |
| rgareus | some paramters depend on sample-rate etc | 14:26 |
| rgareus | so it can't be serialized out | 14:26 |
| rgareus | much like zynaddsubfx | 14:26 |
| rgareus | ~1M parameters some dependend on each other (the taper model) | 14:26 |
| falktx|work | hmm does that mean a preset made with setbfree at 44100 does not work correctly in a session at 48000? | 14:26 |
| rgareus | it's incremental | 14:26 |
| rgareus | presets saves changes over default | 14:27 |
| rgareus | and only really include the basics | 14:27 |
| rgareus | drawbars etc. | 14:27 |
| falktx|work | does loading a preset after another reset to default before loading the next one? | 14:27 |
| rgareus | I suppose I could whip up something. | 14:27 |
| rgareus | like special preset that triggers re-init | 14:28 |
| rgareus | not neccesarily | 14:28 |
| rgareus | it's not a traditional synth plugin, but more like the original B3 "presets" | 14:29 |
| rgareus | those inverted black/white keys at the lower end of a real B3 | 14:29 |
| rgareus | so far B3 players like that. | 14:29 |
| rgareus | I was opposing this initially (state should be immutable) but was taught otherwise by players | 14:30 |
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| ssj71 | so each user can set what the default preset is? | 15:43 |
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| falktx|work | yes | 15:47 |
| falktx|work | as user preferences will not all be the same | 15:47 |
| falktx|work | well, it will be per mod. not per user. but almost the same | 15:48 |
| ssj71 | sure. | 15:48 |
| ssj71 | I was thinking especially if the plugin defaults are not sane, it should be fixed upstream | 15:49 |
| falktx|work | eventually all the little changes will go upstream. if possible. | 15:49 |
| ssj71 | great | 15:50 |
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