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| brummer | @ensonic: just don't ask for a release, lv2 seems to be more focused on pushing binarys then follow the old unix way, so a release of the new stuff isn't needed. Whait for 0.50 or maybe 1.0 | 15:21 |
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| falktx|work | you can ask for a release | 15:25 |
| falktx|work | it just doesn't mean you're going to get it | 15:25 |
| falktx|work | thing is, everytime there's a new release new stuff is added or fixed right after... | 15:26 |
| falktx|work | the cycle never stops.. | 15:26 |
| brummer | true, but, here is no cycle, it's like waiting for the train that never comes | 15:27 |
| falktx|work | we said that before the last release | 15:29 |
| falktx|work | and it came | 15:29 |
| falktx|work | but then we found some issues right afterwards... :/ | 15:30 |
| falktx|work | drobilla seems to be quite active now, let's enjoy that :) | 15:30 |
| falktx|work | the changelogs seem to be getting a bump.... | 15:30 |
| brummer | binary distributors long use stuff, were I, as a source distributor wait for, to use it, but I cant, because my source users use released stuff, please understand that this is anoing for me | 15:32 |
| falktx|work | for me too | 15:33 |
| falktx|work | that's why I ship lilv directly with carla | 15:33 |
| rgareus | falktx|work: and serd and sord and sratom I suppose | 15:35 |
| rgareus | test coverage of those is down to 88% currently. | 15:36 |
| brummer | that's what I say, as a binary distributor, you are free to do so, I'am a debian guy, sharing is highly on the list, so shiping the lv2 stuck within isn't a option for me. | 15:36 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: yes | 15:37 |
| ensonic | brummer, ? | 15:37 |
| falktx|work | let's wait a few more days please | 15:37 |
| falktx|work | I'm sure drobilla has a few things noted he wants to fix first | 15:37 |
| brummer | @ensocic: sorry, I'm loss my contenonse | 15:38 |
| brummer | from time to time | 15:38 |
| rgareus | falktx|work: at least a week, David left for a [work-related] conference. | 15:42 |
| rgareus | falktx|work: BTW, I've prototyped the bypass/enable port designation: https://github.com/x42/lv2/blob/master-rg/lv2/ardour.org/ns/ext/misc/ardour-misc.ttl#L20 | 15:43 |
| rgareus | pretty much like we've discussed | 15:43 |
| falktx|work | well, kinda | 15:46 |
| falktx|work | I though you were going to use 0, 1, 2, 3... values | 15:46 |
| falktx|work | not -1, 0, 1 | 15:46 |
| ssj71_ | I like using <0 for latent states. Its a bit of a corner case anyway | 15:47 |
| ssj71_ | common enough, but not enough to make every plugin have to jump a state | 15:47 |
| falktx|work | oh wait you used "enabled" flag | 15:47 |
| falktx|work | not "bypassed" flag | 15:47 |
| falktx|work | I'd prefer to have the bypassed flag instead | 15:47 |
| falktx|work | ie, 0 = normal process. 1 = bypass | 15:48 |
| falktx|work | 2 = latent stuff | 15:48 |
| falktx|work | I like it when 0 means default behaviour | 15:48 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: opinions? | 15:48 |
| rgareus | I intentionally made it this was | 15:50 |
| falktx|work | :( | 15:50 |
| rgareus | see the discussion. double-negative is really not clear | 15:50 |
| rgareus | and this neatly reserves <0 for latent | 15:50 |
| falktx|work | I guess... makes its sense too | 15:50 |
| rgareus | are there any existing plugins that do have a >1 active "bypass" control port? | 15:51 |
| rgareus | are there any existing plugins that do have a *>0* active "bypass" control port? | 15:51 |
| falktx|work | calf? | 15:51 |
| falktx|work | rakarrack too | 15:51 |
| rgareus | mmh | 15:52 |
| falktx|work | seems like the normal behaviour to me | 15:52 |
| falktx|work | in the few plugins that we have in lv2 at least... | 15:52 |
| rgareus | seems odd to me :) | 15:52 |
| falktx|work | :P | 15:52 |
| falktx|work | I think it's like I said = 0 means the default behaviour | 15:53 |
| rgareus | enable bypass always confuses the hell out of me. | 15:53 |
| ssj71_ | the rakarrack plugins could probably change, I know a guy ;) | 15:53 |
| rgareus | calf is on the forefront. it turns on a light | 15:53 |
| rgareus | normally when you get a light on analog equipment it means "power on" | 15:54 |
| falktx|work | light is on! plugin is bypassed now! :D | 15:54 |
| ssj71_ | doesn't ardour have a bypass button that turns on a light? | 15:54 |
| * ssj71_ gets confused by that | 15:54 | |
| falktx|work | ooohhhhhhh | 15:54 |
| rgareus | ssj71_: in the mixer-strip light = active | 15:55 |
| rgareus | ssj71_: in the generic plugin-gui it's currently like calf. and it's on the todo-list to change that | 15:55 |
| ssj71_ | rgareus: but in the generic plugin UI I believe its the inverted logic | 15:55 |
| ssj71_ | I don't see a super strong argument either way. As long as you don't call it bypass and make 1 be enable or visa versa | 15:56 |
| rgareus | currently #enable designation: 0: disabled(bypassed) 1: active(not-bypassed) | 15:57 |
| ssj71_ | right, enable==1 there is sound | 15:58 |
| rgareus | we could hange that to #bypass designation 0:active (not-bypassed) 1: disabled(bypassed) | 15:58 |
| ssj71_ | bypass==1 there is no sound. | 15:58 |
| rgareus | and then reserve > 1 for future use | 15:58 |
| ssj71_ | either one is ok | 15:58 |
| rgareus | we could probably allow both. and have the host map it. | 15:59 |
| ssj71_ | falktx|work: you show a "power" button in carla, would you map enable/bypass to it? | 15:59 |
| falktx|work | no | 15:59 |
| falktx|work | bypass = processing but "mute" | 16:00 |
| falktx|work | the power button deactivates the plugin | 16:00 |
| falktx|work | no processing | 16:00 |
| ssj71_ | rgareus: +1 the host can do whatever it wants and expose it however | 16:00 |
| falktx|work | bypass in carla is done by putting the dry/wet knob into 0% | 16:00 |
| ssj71_ | falktx|work: fwiw thats a pain to not have a 1 click bypass | 16:00 |
| falktx|work | I know, I need to make the knob clickable to min/max positions | 16:01 |
| ssj71_ | that'd work | 16:01 |
| ssj71_ | regardless, I don't think it matters whether its enable or bypass, hopefully hosts won't expose it as just another control port | 16:02 |
| rgareus | ssj71_: that's in ardour-git since a few days. if a plugin has a #enable port, the bypass button (mixer-strip, generic-ui) instead controlls the plugin's port | 16:04 |
| rgareus | and there's currently no longer a way to hard-bypass those plugins. | 16:04 |
| ssj71_ | I guess I should start refactoring rkr-lv2 | 16:12 |
| falktx|work | make the default value of the 'enable' port 1 please | 16:12 |
| ssj71_ | falktx|work: will do | 16:12 |
| ssj71_ | I believe the default of the "bypass" ports is 0 right? | 16:13 |
| ssj71_ | ha. I should know | 16:13 |
| ssj71_ | ok it is | 16:13 |
| ssj71_ | falktx|work: you removed those ports for MOD didn't you? | 16:13 |
| falktx|work | no | 16:14 |
| falktx|work | wait, not sure... | 16:14 |
| falktx|work | I didn't handle the plugins, so I'm not sure now | 16:14 |
| ssj71_ | seems like somebody told me they did | 16:14 |
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| ssj71 | so will that URI stay the same even when its adopted as an official spec? | 16:28 |
| falktx|work | no | 16:29 |
| ssj71 | so should I apply it and then just change URI when its adopted or wait? | 16:35 |
| falktx|work | good question | 16:39 |
| rgareus | ssj71: in case of #enable #bypass chances are high that it will be upstreamed to lv2plug.in | 16:40 |
| rgareus | ssj71: and we'll change ardour, then | 16:40 |
| rgareus | ssj71: feel free to use use it to test, though | 16:41 |
| rgareus | other non-standard extensions.. (e.g the current inline-display will stay) | 16:42 |
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| rgareus | well, also for #enable we can check both (unofficial and official once released) for a time . deprecte one.. migrate over the period of a year or so | 16:43 |
| rgareus | s/deprecte/deprecate/ | 16:43 |
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