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| falktx | drobilla: can you take a little time on comment on this please? https://github.com/moddevices/modguis/issues/1 | 08:17 |
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| falktx | drobilla: some distro packages want lv2 bundle resources (like ui images) to NOT be installed in the lv2 bundle, because they're in /usr/lib/ | 08:18 |
| falktx | *packagers | 08:18 |
| falktx | rgareus: maybe you can give some input too? | 08:21 |
| falktx | I'd appreciate something there... | 08:21 |
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| * rgareus needs a coffee first. | 10:56 | |
| rgareus | at first glance. plugins should always be in self contained bundled. | 10:57 |
| rgareus | bundles, even | 10:57 |
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| falktx|work | good | 11:19 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: thanks, I completely forgot to check the lv2 page for this. I wasn't sure if it mentioned this or not.. | 11:20 |
| rgareus | glad to help out | 11:21 |
| falktx|work | lv2 ftw! | 11:48 |
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| drobilla | The self-containedness of bundles is non-negotiable | 12:44 |
| drobilla | and common to many other systems, I might add | 12:44 |
| drobilla | they can move them to a directory they feel is more appropriate if they like | 12:45 |
| rgareus | falktx|work: what is the actual context here? is viccuad packaging it for some distro? | 12:59 |
| falktx|work | rgareus: some time ago I added modguis directly into guitarix source | 13:00 |
| falktx|work | debian lintian complained about the images | 13:00 |
| rgareus | the debian packages who bundle LV2 add lintian overrides | 13:00 |
| rgareus | package*r*s | 13:00 |
| falktx|work | well, the guitarix one is missing those I guess | 13:00 |
| falktx|work | I think this was brought because modguis are bigger than usual | 13:01 |
| falktx|work | and there's a lot of them on guitarix (1 per plugin) | 13:01 |
| falktx|work | that makes the lv2 bundles reach 200mb+ | 13:01 |
| falktx|work | most of which is non-binary data | 13:01 |
| drobilla | Nothing's stopping anyone from putting any bundles which do happen to be *completely* architecture-independent in PREFIX/share or wherever | 13:02 |
| rgareus | flashback to 2012 setBfree + debian. back then it was ~20MB took me 3 months to convince the debian ftp masters. :) | 13:03 |
| rgareus | mb millibit ? | 13:04 |
| rgareus | falktx|work: what's the disk space of the MOD? | 13:05 |
| falktx|work | ~4Gb | 13:05 |
| falktx|work | ~600Mb reserved for OS | 13:06 |
| rgareus | so guitarix is "heavy" | 13:06 |
| falktx|work | users don't have all plugins installed though | 13:06 |
| rgareus | on /modern/ systems. 200MB don't weight much, but on embedded it can be a lot. | 13:06 |
| rgareus | 200MB pngs. that's almost a full feature movie :) | 13:07 |
| rgareus | drobilla: how's it going? have not seen you around for a long time. | 13:09 |
| trebmuh | rgareus, viccuad is on the debian-multimedia packager team | 13:11 |
| drobilla | You know what takes up less space? vectors ;) | 13:11 |
| rgareus | trebmuh: so am I | 13:11 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Well... the custom-tailored hell I have been living in for the last little while has left little time/ability to for work I have to do, let alone LAD :) | 13:12 |
| trebmuh | rgareus, I know. Just answering your question : "is viccuad packaging it for some distro?" | 13:12 |
| rgareus | trebmuh: it's odd, that I have not come around to meet him. | 13:13 |
| rgareus | drobilla: have you started writing already? | 13:14 |
| rgareus | the thesis I mean | 13:14 |
| trebmuh | rgareus, he's on #debian-multimedia @ oftc pretty much every day if you need | 13:15 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Not really, but kind of. Still working on papers that will be a large part of it, and working on my "proposal" (which is really a significant draft of your thesis, here) | 13:18 |
| trebmuh | rgareus, that said, he's a new maintainer (came somewhere on the last 6 months I'd say) so that is maybe why you didn't get to talk to him yet | 13:19 |
| rgareus | trebmuh: indeed. I opted out most of it in 2014. | 13:23 |
| drobilla | I suppose in some hypothetical universe the LV2 spec could have passed two paths to the plugin | 13:24 |
| rgareus | drobilla: something to keep in mind for LV3 | 13:24 |
| drobilla | 'course then someone would decide to be all pedantic about documentation being separate... then headers... then "source code", then... | 13:24 |
| rgareus | then again lv2-host authors on other platform will just bash ist. | 13:25 |
| rgareus | ideally we'd have a "bundle" like on OSX. completely opaque, while internally it's a dir-tree it just looks like a file. | 13:26 |
| drobilla | Yep | 13:27 |
| drobilla | Which is really what's going on here. Plugin bundles are architecture-dependent | 13:27 |
| drobilla | They just happen to be transparent, but they're still self-contained | 13:27 |
| drobilla | If packagers really, really, really have a problem with this, then they can put stuff in share and symlink to the bundle | 13:29 |
| drobilla | Don't expect upstream to do it. It's a PITA and 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of users/installations have no reason to bother | 13:29 |
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| * drobilla idly considers making an eg-sampler derivative with fancier things like trimmable start/end, varispeed, perhaps pitch | 15:13 | |
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