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| rokototou | rgareus: can u help? | 22:11 |
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| falktx | you should probably ask a question first | 22:11 |
| rgareus | what falktx said | 22:12 |
| rokototou | i have sf which has two parts pedal up and pedal down files | 22:12 |
| rokototou | so i need one sf to play when pedal is up and another when its down | 22:13 |
| rokototou | i made routing midikbd --> midichannel map (set to cc64 ) --> sostenuto lv -sampler for pedal down samples | 22:14 |
| rgareus | in what context? | 22:14 |
| rgareus | aah | 22:14 |
| rokototou | but when i release the key sustain is still going on | 22:14 |
| rokototou | what do you mean by context? | 22:14 |
| rgareus | I thought you were writing a plugin. | 22:15 |
| rokototou | it's just a gig sf which has two instruments inside | 22:15 |
| rokototou | no | 22:15 |
| rokototou | so can u help? | 22:15 |
| rgareus | maybe, I still don't quite understand what the source of the problem is. | 22:16 |
| rgareus | sostenuto.lv2 just delays the note-off. | 22:17 |
| rgareus | it does not change which sample you're playing | 22:17 |
| rgareus | i understand you do want a switch that selects a different instrument if the pedal is pressed | 22:18 |
| rokototou | rgareus: well u know that some sfs consist of two parts (files) - pedal down samples recorded when pedal was down on piano and pedal up samples. so i need to make one sf play when i press pedal and the other when pedal is not pressed | 22:18 |
| rokototou | right! | 22:18 |
| rgareus | if the sampler is linuxsampler the best is to probably just edit sfz file (mapping of sounds) | 22:19 |
| rokototou | it's like one instument is to play when pedal is up and the other when its down, both are to sit on the same channel | 22:19 |
| rokototou | its not sfz | 22:20 |
| rokototou | i converted to kontakt and found some nils midifilter which can partly do it - sustain does not work | 22:20 |
| rgareus | midifilter.lv2 alone cannot do it (they'r all one in, one out -- no branching) | 22:21 |
| rgareus | one could hack something up, either via midi-channel map or using a modular (ingen) but either is overkill here | 22:22 |
| rgareus | I don't know of a simple solution off hand | 22:22 |
| rgareus | if there are samples for pedal sounds those are best handled by the synth itself. | 22:23 |
| rgareus | everything else is a kludge IMHO. | 22:23 |
| rokototou | as far as i understand when i mapped cc64 to ch1 in carla to midichannel map i lost some events. my described chain would work if i could add note off signal to make sostenuto plugin to shut up on release of the key | 22:23 |
| rokototou | ok may be you can get that soundfont and check? | 22:24 |
| rokototou | rgareus: smth is wrong with the synth because both pedal up and down sound when i play with pedal up | 22:25 |
| rgareus | rokototou: I'm sorry I don't have time to check soundfonts | 22:26 |
| rokototou | ok can you write a midifilter then? | 22:26 |
| rokototou | for that task? | 22:26 |
| rgareus | no, all midi filters part of the collection that I wrote are one-in, one-out. This has to be a different plugin one in, two out. (depending on internal state) | 22:27 |
| rgareus | CC64 active -> send to first output -> trigger synth 1 CC64 not active -> 2nd output -> trigger synth 2 | 22:28 |
| rokototou | yes | 22:28 |
| rokototou | and also to support sustain | 22:28 |
| rokototou | if i release the key but hold the pedal pedal down samples whould continue to sound until i release the pedal | 22:29 |
| rgareus | normally that's a feature of the synth. | 22:29 |
| rgareus | midi has an explicit spec for this. | 22:29 |
| rokototou | in my chain note off signal is lost by sostenuto filter | 22:30 |
| rgareus | qmidiroute might be able to do it | 22:30 |
| rgareus | or midish | 22:30 |
| rokototou | i could not find midish found only mididings | 22:30 |
| rokototou | i have qmidiroute though | 22:30 |
| rgareus | http://www.midish.org/ | 22:30 |
| rgareus | rokototou: what synth are you using? | 22:30 |
| rokototou | carla | 22:31 |
| rgareus | mmh. | 22:31 |
| rokototou | ? | 22:31 |
| rgareus | falktx: any plans to add sustain pedal support to Carla? | 22:31 |
| rgareus | isn't carla using linuxsampler under the hood? | 22:31 |
| rgareus | in which case there should already be support for that sort of thing. | 22:31 |
| falktx | it's already there | 22:31 |
| falktx | it's just a regular midi cc, so "it just works" | 22:32 |
| rgareus | in that case the .gig which rokototou uses has an invalid mapping | 22:33 |
| falktx | old carla needed an option to be enabled manually to get cc messages sent to LS | 22:33 |
| rokototou | i keep all checkboxed on except map program chancges | 22:34 |
| rgareus | rokototou: I really think that the end result will be a lot better with less tools. don't build complex midi networks to solve a simle problem | 22:34 |
| rgareus | rokototou: use gigedit and fix the soundfont. | 22:34 |
| rokototou | how? | 22:34 |
| rgareus | which is apparently the source of the problem | 22:34 |
| rgareus | http://download.linuxsampler.org/doc/gigedit/quickstart/gigedit_quickstart.html | 22:35 |
| rokototou | it actually has 3 instruments the thied is dual pedal which i don't know what it means | 22:35 |
| rgareus | despite writing midifilters.lv2 the only midi instrument that I play is setBfree. well, played. I don't even have a working keyboard since ~1 year when the old one broke :( | 22:36 |
| * rgareus is not doing much midi | 22:36 | |
| rokototou | sad | 22:38 |
| * rgareus prefers phyiscal instruments that directly make sound for the most part. | 22:41 | |
| rokototou | well some midi plays very well | 22:42 |
| rgareus | granted | 22:43 |
| falktx | rgareus: is mod something you'd prefer? | 22:43 |
| rokototou | rgareus: some people use osc instead of midi | 22:43 |
| rgareus | falktx: certainly, I can play guitar and sax through it. | 22:49 |
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| falktx | rgareus: fyi I have no idea what to reply on the lv2-automation thing, sorry | 23:06 |
| falktx | there's different ways of doing automation, and all small details I'm not familiar with enough | 23:06 |
| rgareus | falktx: that's fine, I was just putting this out. | 23:10 |
| rgareus | falktx: what different ways of automation di you allude to? | 23:10 |
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