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| falktx | drobilla: I need to find if some rdf properties already exist. any ideas on how to do this? | 15:44 |
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| falktx | I want screenshot, thumbnail, width and height | 15:44 |
| falktx | someone out there should have made a spec (like rdf:seeAlso) for this... | 15:44 |
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| drobilla | Hrm, a bunch of the schema repo sites seem to be down | 15:56 |
| drobilla | doap has one for screenshots page but not single screenshot, which is kind of silly | 15:56 |
| falktx | looking in google is no good. I get a bunch of ninja turtles... | 15:57 |
| drobilla | The kitchen sink that is schema.org has https://schema.org/screenshot | 15:58 |
| drobilla | (Though I am not enthusiastic about the idea of installing and loading all that crap in LV2 hosts) | 15:59 |
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| falktx | https://schema.org/ seems to have everything I think | 17:11 |
| falktx | drobilla: just wondering... http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema# https mode exists... should we be concerned? | 17:13 |
| falktx | shouldn't http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema# match https://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema# ? | 17:13 |
| falktx | drobilla: perhaps this is a candidate for the idea of uri replacements (like you talked when moving some properties to lv2core) | 17:14 |
| ventosus | has there been a 1.12 release? | 17:17 |
| ventosus | can't see any tag in git | 17:17 |
| falktx | of lv2, yes | 17:19 |
| falktx | there's only a release tarball, http://lv2plug.in/spec/lv2-1.12.0.tar.bz2 | 17:19 |
| ventosus | falktx: that's why I was wondering | 17:20 |
| falktx | more stuff for drobilla to do :P | 17:21 |
| ventosus | http://lv2plug.in/git/cgit.cgi/lv2.git/ is apparently a commit behind | 17:21 |
| ventosus | https://github.com/drobilla/lv2 has a tag | 17:21 |
| falktx | lol drobilla drank too much | 17:23 |
| falktx | committed to github instead of the official repo | 17:23 |
| * falktx hopes drobilla is doing ok... | 17:24 | |
| * ventosus flagged lv2 out-of-date in ArchLinux | 17:27 | |
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| Anchakor1 | falktx: I guess you could have a look here: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs | 19:11 |
| Anchakor1 | but schema.org is good choice for the thing you are doing I think | 19:12 |
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| son0p | Hi, I am trying to use Jalv, I can not findout how to use the URI argument to open a plugin, id the URI the path on my system? or is the one defined in the .ttl of each plugin? | 19:20 |
| son0p | *is | 19:20 |
| drobilla | son0p: it's not the path, it's the URI of the plugin | 19:27 |
| drobilla | son0p: lv2ls will list them all | 19:27 |
| drobilla | falktx: We don't really care about resolving that in any practical sense. The http URIs are the canonical ones, they've been around forever. | 19:28 |
| drobilla | mmmmmmmm push should go to lv2plug.in by default, that's odd | 19:28 |
| son0p | thanks drobilla, I will search for lv2ls | 19:29 |
| drobilla | son0p: It's bundled with lilv. If you have lv2 anything installed, you probably have it | 19:31 |
| drobilla | Someone made a shiny wrapper around jalv to present a dialog but I don't remember what it's called | 19:31 |
| falktx | drobilla: btw, carla has a mode similar to jalv now | 19:33 |
| falktx | you can something like: | 19:33 |
| falktx | carla-single http://www.openavproductions.com/fabla2 | 19:33 |
| drobilla | of course it does ;) | 19:34 |
| drobilla | I have idly considered doing the same for ingen since that would provide the remote GUI ability, but meh. | 19:35 |
| falktx | it's a must-have for those people that run headless | 19:35 |
| son0p | drobilla: I am on lilv 0.16, do i must upgrade to 0.20 to find lv2ls? | 19:37 |
| son0p | It must work directly from command line? or it must be $ jalv lv2ls | 19:38 |
| drobilla | No. lv2ls has always been with lilv. It's not a plugin, it's a utility that prints all installed plugin URIs. Just run it. | 19:39 |
| drobilla | Sounds like you would probably be better served by that wrapper, whatever it is... | 19:40 |
| Anchakor1 | or carla :) | 19:40 |
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| * drobilla shrugs | 19:41 | |
| son0p | I am learning to make a script to open the rgareus meters in a small host | 19:45 |
| son0p | I will check the carla option too | 19:45 |
| son0p | and search for the wraper | 19:46 |
| drobilla | lv2ls | grep meters | 19:47 |
| rgareus | son0p: the meters are also available as standalone jack clients | 19:48 |
| son0p | drobilla: lv2ls command not found, It can be zsh terminal | 19:48 |
| rgareus | son0p: in meters.lv2 git run make jackapps | 19:49 |
| son0p | thanks rgareus | 19:49 |
| son0p | I will build it | 19:49 |
| rgareus | son0p: there'll be a couple of jack clients in meters.lv2/x42/ | 19:50 |
| son0p | We are promoting the meters always on in local studios using old computers | 19:50 |
| rgareus | son0p: the alternative is to get http://robin.linuxaudio.org/tmp/jalv_extui_svn5572.dff and use jalv | 19:51 |
| rgareus | or carla or ... | 19:51 |
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| drobilla | The _gtk variants work fine for me in stock jalv.gtk | 19:54 |
| drobilla | Though splitting plugins just for UIs like this is atrocious :) | 19:54 |
| rgareus | the next release will do away with the gtk variant. | 19:55 |
| rgareus | or maybe the one after | 19:55 |
| drobilla | In favour of several UIs per one plugin, or external-ui only? | 19:55 |
| rgareus | ideally show-interface | 19:55 |
| drobilla | OK. Why not embedding too? | 19:56 |
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| rgareus | but yes, pretty much "external-ui" only | 19:56 |
| drobilla | At least via the sane interface I can deal with that, though it still sucks | 19:56 |
| rgareus | drobilla: because the plugins don't have any control over what window the host may provide | 19:56 |
| drobilla | rgareus: What kind of control? | 19:57 |
| rgareus | minimal window size and aspect ratio | 19:57 |
| rgareus | and max window size | 19:57 |
| rgareus | the gtk meters in ardour are close to useless for anything professional. | 19:58 |
| drobilla | The packing should just magically deal with most of that (for some value of should) | 19:58 |
| rgareus | jalv.gtk is hardly better, even with minimized menu bar. the gtk threading sucks | 19:58 |
| drobilla | I don't have the time or cycles to really give a shit, so fine :P | 19:59 |
| rgareus | drobilla: perfectly understandable. other host authors are not unlike. hence externalUI | 19:59 |
| drobilla | It's rather hard to address issues without even test cases because everybody jumps to the external shit for the most trivial of reasons, though | 19:59 |
| * drobilla is tired of herding cats. Probably dramatically less giveafuck about LV2 in general on the horizon | 20:00 | |
| rgareus | what I do care about is gracefull fallback (to generic UI) whenever feasible. | 20:00 |
| drobilla | show/hide needs attention anyway, if that's going to happen regardles. That extension needs to die already | 20:01 |
| drobilla | s/already/5 years ago/ | 20:01 |
| ventosus | drobilla: last commit trickled in, but still no tag, a forgotten 'git push --tags ...' maybe? | 20:05 |
| drobilla | ventosus: done. | 20:06 |
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| rgareus | ooh releases. | 20:11 |
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| rgareus | drobilla: what did you tag/release? | 20:26 |
| falktx | drobilla: afaik all the plugins I had that used old externalui can now use show interface as well | 20:29 |
| falktx | rgareus ones need to be updated I think... | 20:29 |
| falktx | linuxdsp ones well, don't exist anymore | 20:31 |
| rgareus | harrison | 20:35 |
| rgareus | is also using the even oder externalUI | 20:35 |
| falktx | once we update pugl properly the embed will be working | 20:37 |
| rgareus | falktx: what's wrong with it? pugl/embed does already work? | 20:37 |
| rgareus | setBfree for example. | 20:38 |
| falktx | on osx it does not | 20:38 |
| rgareus | embedds just fine on all 3 platforms | 20:38 |
| rgareus | falktx: it does work on OSX with suil since Nov'14 | 20:39 |
| falktx | I remember some actions were not working | 20:39 |
| falktx | I can test it tomorrow | 20:39 |
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| drobilla | rgareus: I release LV2 1.12.0 at LAC | 20:58 |
| drobilla | released* | 20:58 |
| rgareus | aah so it was just a missing git tag | 21:01 |
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| drobilla | and push only to github, apparently. How, I have no idea | 21:33 |
| drobilla | That was ~day #3 of 9hrs jet lag + max 4 hrs sleep every night, so who's to say? :) | 21:33 |
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