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| rgareus | drobilla: do you know if there is an LV2 host that does not use liblilv ? | 04:59 |
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| drobilla | rgareus: I think there's an ancient one in the ll-plugins stuff (or something from Lars anyway) | 08:41 |
| drobilla | rgareus: IIRC mod formerly didn't | 08:41 |
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| * HarryHaaren has a chuckle at "extension_data() is actually easy with a recursive mixin tree" <- if you have experience with that stuff :) | 23:30 | |
| drobilla | It doesn't matter in the user code. | 23:42 |
| drobilla | As the subsequent paragraph explicitly states :P | 23:42 |
| drobilla | If the choice is between crazy wrapper + clean user code vs simpler wrapper + boilerplatey user code, I choose the former. Nobody needs to really give a crap what the wrapper looks like | 23:43 |
| HarryHaaren | i'm not trying to shoot-down the C++ wrapper - it will have a positive effect. Just the sentence made me laugh. | 23:43 |
| HarryHaaren | context: I'm running an Introduction to OOP lecture tomorrow, "is actually easy with a recursive mixin tree" would be a good joke to start the session :) | 23:44 |
| drobilla | Well, yes. "easy provided you know what the hell you are doing" is kind of implicitly the definition of "easy" for anything programming related :) | 23:46 |
| falktx | everything is easy once you're used to it | 23:47 |
| drobilla | Not really. I'm used to gobjects, but it's not easy. It's awful. | 23:48 |
| drobilla | Though I realized something about this: part of the reason lvtk is so complicated there is that it tries to wrap "extension" | 23:52 |
| drobilla | But extensions are not a concept in the LV2 API | 23:53 |
| drobilla | In particular, "optional" is a feature thing | 23:53 |
| drobilla | But features can be done quite nicely without mixins, ala the current wrappers in git | 23:53 |
| drobilla | This makes the need for an <Optional> template parameter go away, and thus the weird template-class-with-nested-interface-class thing in the "extensions" you would inherit from go away | 23:53 |
| drobilla | For an interface, you either inherit from it or not. | 23:54 |
| HarryHaaren | that sounds good. | 23:54 |
| drobilla | So the implementation of the wrappers for those would be quite a bit less weird | 23:54 |
| * gabrbedd agrees about gobjects. | 23:54 | |
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