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| drobilla | ssj71: I don't think "center" is a valid value of vertical-align. That works and middle does not? | 00:18 |
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| ssj71 | thats not what fixed it. I forgot to change that back | 00:19 |
| ssj71 | I think you are right, but its actually the translate that does it | 00:20 |
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| ssj71 | I don't even think you have to specify vertical align since you dictate top, left and translate it | 00:20 |
| drobilla | Yeah, I think it's just a noop anyway | 00:21 |
| ssj71 | ya, you can take vertical-align and text-align out with no change | 00:22 |
| drobilla | There is a funny looking boink/snap effect when the transition is done, but that will get better with a more uniform set of screenshots | 00:23 |
| ssj71 | Did you get the second patch? It fixes that on my system | 00:24 |
| ssj71 | just add 'transform-style: preserve-3d' to the parent of img (slideshow) | 00:25 |
| drobilla | still happens with 0002 | 00:25 |
| drobilla | did that, too | 00:25 |
| ssj71 | interesting. are you on firefox 32.03? | 00:25 |
| drobilla | hm, n/m, better now. Probably forgot to rebuild or force reload the stylesheet | 00:26 |
| drobilla | turns out border-radius on images works without an actual border, so I dropped the box and rounded them off a bit instead. Looks better | 00:26 |
| rgareus | not sure if it's the same but last time I had a boink/snap on a different site it was because the images were not pre-loaded and the files were progressive jpeg. | 00:27 |
| ssj71 | great. I didn't like that box. But I'm really hoping some real designer type person will step in. I'm just googling and hacking stuff | 00:27 |
| rgareus | ssj71: flush your cache and see if you get the boink/snap (on localhost you probably don't have this issue) | 00:28 |
| ssj71 | I do think the pictures should be more prominent, but like you I'd rather focus on content | 00:28 |
| drobilla | Sigh, this botched it on mobile, though | 00:28 |
| drobilla | images are way off to the right now | 00:28 |
| rgareus | drobilla: why are they on the side anyway? | 00:29 |
| ssj71 | still looks good after cache cleared. Mobile problem though is outside of my capacity | 00:29 |
| drobilla | down and to the right 50% of the box | 00:30 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Because it looks like shit below with a vertical list | 00:30 |
| rgareus | ssj71: in FF press ctrl+shift+m to enter 'mobile mode' | 00:30 |
| rgareus | drobilla: So you don't have plans to make a horizontal list as suggested by Harry? | 00:31 |
| * drobilla sighs, rewrites the god damned thing as HTML | 00:32 | |
| drobilla | I have plans to actually get some work done. Does that count? :P | 00:32 |
| rgareus | drobilla: yep. I do have a PhD review tomorrow. myself. and also need to get some work done. | 00:33 |
| ssj71 | sorry drobilla. wish I could help more, but I'm no web developer. | 00:35 |
| rgareus | ssj71: who of us is? | 00:37 |
| ssj71 | fair enough, but everything I do takes a fair bit of reformatting so I'm not sure its really getting us anywhere. | 00:38 |
| ssj71 | I can poke more at it next week. | 00:39 |
| drobilla | the (sig) makes it ugly | 00:47 |
| ssj71 | should the link take you to a second page with all downloads including sig? | 00:48 |
| drobilla | I guess the old android browser doesn't support transform() | 00:53 |
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| drobilla | Still with the teeny paragraphs on android, even a div set to the width! WTF | 01:08 |
| drobilla | Nothing in the style that should constrain the width of the paragraph to some little fragment. Mobile mode in Firefox looks fine. | 01:11 |
| drobilla | Looks like a browser bug | 01:15 |
| drobilla | Turning off "auto fit pages to screen" fixes it. Whatever. | 01:16 |
| drobilla | http://lv2plug.in/ | 01:17 |
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| Anchakor | I would replace the screenshots of the ported plugins with stuff like rncbc's synthv1, harry's plugins... | 07:03 |
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| drobilla | Well *I* would paint the shed green | 07:21 |
| drobilla | I mean, I won't, but I would, you see. :P | 07:21 |
| Anchakor | are you implying I should send a patch? :) | 07:22 |
| drobilla | In some generic sense, yes. | 07:24 |
| drobilla | I am thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about screenshots. | 07:24 |
| drobilla | Some day, if we're so lucky, I may be able to have a Linus-like attitude about actual code contributions | 07:27 |
| drobilla | But in the mean time, I sure as hell can about something so trivial my Mom could do it | 07:28 |
| * drobilla is marking assignments at 2:30 a.m., the most horrible kill yourself task possible, and will not have anything done for his research meeting tomorrow as a result. Patience "running thin" doesn't even begin to cover it | 07:36 | |
| drobilla | (my mom may be able to do it, but I doubt half of these students could) | 07:42 |
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| falktx | drobilla: I'm having a hard time getting modgui data via lilv, so I'm patching it to work like lilv_get_plugin_author | 09:23 |
| drobilla | falktx: I don't understand. What's the problem? | 09:28 |
| falktx | I tried both find_nodes and get_related, all returned 0-size lilv-nodes | 09:28 |
| falktx | I think the way the mod:gui is done makes this hard | 09:29 |
| drobilla | obviously adding lilv_get_mod_this and lilv_get_mod_that isn't the thing to do, if that's what you mean, and would be equivalent and have the same problem anyway | 09:29 |
| drobilla | zero sized nodes? weird. | 09:29 |
| falktx | well, my first attempt at patching lilv worked right away | 09:29 |
| drobilla | perhaps it's just not loaded? | 09:29 |
| falktx | it's part of the plugin ttl | 09:29 |
| drobilla | falktx: get_related will tell you related files, but it won't necessarily load them. | 09:30 |
| drobilla | Well, I dunno. I'll see what you did and have a better idea | 09:30 |
| drobilla | But first, pass out time. | 09:30 |
| falktx | well, I was just using this: | 09:31 |
| falktx | Lilv::Nodes modguiNodes(lilvPlugin.get_value(lv2World.mod_gui)); | 09:31 |
| drobilla | Why can't you just do whatever modguiNodes does in your code? | 09:31 |
| drobilla | oh, n/m. duhr | 09:32 |
| drobilla | that should work (assuming the predicate is correct). what's different about what you patched? | 09:32 |
| drobilla | Well, to be continue. I need about 12 hours of sleep and have a conference call in 7. FML etc. 'night. | 09:33 |
| falktx | hmm wait | 09:33 |
| falktx | just a minute... | 09:33 |
| falktx | I may had the prefix wrong | 09:35 |
| falktx | let me try everything again... | 09:35 |
| falktx | ok, got some data now. it's a blank so I still need something extra | 09:39 |
| falktx | not sure how to get the next data | 09:44 |
| falktx | alright got it now. not an easy process though | 09:45 |
| falktx | 1. get_value(modgui), check if size > 0 | 09:46 |
| falktx | 2. get_first(), check if is blank | 09:46 |
| falktx | 3. find_nodes(), check if size > 0 | 09:47 |
| falktx | 4. get_first(), check if is uri | 09:47 |
| falktx | drobilla: it's a lot of code just to get a single property | 09:47 |
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| drobilla | That's what lilv_world_get is for. | 17:43 |
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| drobilla | falktx: use lilv_world_get if you only want one | 17:45 |
| drobilla | so one call per triple you care about (2, in this case) | 17:46 |
| falktx | hmm, well, too late now :P | 17:48 |
| falktx | https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/commit/114bd822864a9f4cdceae63d02e2fb23dd997c7c#diff-5763b85da4bccd1d6f1287c45825e41dL31 | 17:49 |
| drobilla | Well... maybe you should ask *first* instead of fork lilv in an obviously unmergeable way :P | 17:53 |
| rgareus | drobilla: what is the easiest way for you to merge screenshots into the lv2-site? is there a github mirror of the site? | 17:54 |
| drobilla | 200 lines of nearly identical copy paste bloat, with the URI the only thing different. Obviously that isn't sustainable. Lilv does too much of that as it is, and it was a bad idea | 17:55 |
| rgareus | drobilla: sending a git format-patch with binaries jpeg/png inside to the ML seems wrong.. | 17:55 |
| drobilla | rgareus: git, yes. github, no. I guess I could make one | 17:55 |
| drobilla | rgareus: indeed. People have been sending them to me personally | 17:56 |
| rgareus | drobilla: I was just going to push it to github | 17:56 |
| drobilla | or that. | 17:56 |
| rgareus | drobilla: it won't be a 'fork' then hence no 'pull request' email.. but whatever git pull ... will work | 17:57 |
| * drobilla is not terribly surprised to learn that all that git send-email talk is bullshit that doesn't happen in the real world | 17:58 | |
| drobilla | falktx: how are you (or plan to) use mod GUIs? launch a webkit or something, or just hijacking some of the metadata? | 17:59 |
| rgareus | drobilla: git pull https://github.com/x42/lv2-site master # will get you screenshots listed at https://github.com/x42/lv2-site/commit/aa306c24d590 | 18:00 |
| falktx | drobilla: the plan is to have a "bridge" like I do gtk and qt uis right now. how the bridge will work I still need to figure out | 18:00 |
| rgareus | drobilla: git send-email is nice - except if it's binary stuff only like images | 18:02 |
| rgareus | but it's a matter of education. vast majority of linux-kernel contribs are send-email. alsa-dev & ffmpeg ML use it as well. | 18:03 |
| rgareus | ie 'real devs' use format-patch :D | 18:04 |
| * falktx is not a real dev | 18:10 | |
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| drobilla | Would be cool if suil could magically box up a web UI | 19:01 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Yeah, well, since the main underlying issues with all this website stuff is zero contribution, "be real developers" is not a luxury I have :) | 19:02 |
| drobilla | We'll see how much of a different click 'n drool 'n fork actually makes | 19:02 |
| drobilla | Excuses being what they are, probably not much, but can't hurt. | 19:02 |
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| drobilla | I just wish FLOSS development wasn't turning into Facebook... | 19:33 |
| drobilla | The Distributed Revision Control System⢠is the most centralized one out there in practice :) | 19:33 |
| drobilla | But whatever. Even though it would be very problematic to have people actually using verboten URIs, I suppose it would be a net win to have things like https://gist.github.com/grejppi/9e5760bc746d5d176805 show up as forks/patches instead | 19:35 |
| drobilla | Contributions to the libs once they're integrated will be more significant anyway | 19:35 |
| falktx | I wish you had your stuff on a site that manages git projects | 19:38 |
| falktx | it doesn't have to be github, bitbucket is fine | 19:38 |
| rgareus | falktx: what difference does it make? | 19:38 |
| rgareus | one-click pull requests? | 19:39 |
| falktx | integrated bug reports with the project page | 19:39 |
| falktx | err | 19:39 |
| rgareus | drobilla: speaking of which, you should disable the wiki and issue-tracker at https://github.com/drobilla/lv2 | 19:39 |
| rgareus | drobilla: under "admin". | 19:39 |
| rgareus | s/admin/settings/ | 19:40 |
| rgareus | ...unless you plan to use them, that is | 19:42 |
| drobilla | Still not sure what to do about issue tracking | 19:45 |
| rgareus | drobilla: I don't think the comparison with facebook works. the data is not centralized, there's no hidden agenda. no cat pics or food pics and no advertisement either. And I guess that neither your grandma nor annoying ex-class-mates invite you via github to some reunion. | 19:49 |
| HarryHaaren | I'm a fan of github issues, tagging commits / closing is done using issue number, "fixes #94" will tag that issue with the commit, and close it | 19:50 |
| HarryHaaren | "see issue #28" will tag that commit in issue 28, but not close | 19:50 |
| rgareus | in practice a lot of information goes via github. but then again, [LV2|Floss] developent is already out in the open. | 19:50 |
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| rgareus | HarryHaaren: yeah. the issue tracker is very nice. (compared to sf.net's one which sucks) | 19:51 |
| HarryHaaren | ah yeah, that! | 19:51 |
| rgareus | the 'close with commit message' is not unique though. lots of precedents back to svn/trac and probably some 90's CVS too. | 19:53 |
| drobilla | Tempting to do something militantly simple with zero platform investment, like just use a text file | 19:56 |
| drobilla | Either a TODO in the source repo, or a page on the site | 19:56 |
| drobilla | Doesn't work for user apps, but for libraries/specs only of interest to developers anyway... | 19:57 |
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| drobilla | Probably code repo, for code things, since you can close a ticket/TODO item in the same commit that fixes it | 20:24 |
| drobilla | Though it would be nice to have on the page | 20:24 |
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| drobilla | Much nicer in history than having commits reference some ID of some ticket on Gitbook⢠or whatever, and having to go look that up manually | 20:33 |
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| Anchakor | HarryHaaren: I was saying it would be much nicer if your plugins were showcased on the front page, and those of rncbc and falktx in stead of the (although brilliant) VST ports | 20:56 |
| HarryHaaren | Anchakor, well.. there's different things going on here: are we A) promoting LV2 or B) promoting LV2 open-source stuff | 20:57 |
| HarryHaaren | Although OpenAV likes all publicity it can get, I do feel that a project like LV2 should be honest in what is available, and "market" itself according to what it wishes: wether that be VSTs or "native" LV2's, open-or-closed source | 20:58 |
| * HarryHaaren notes the site has been updated since my last visit: nice to see progress! | 20:58 | |
| Anchakor | well your plugins are open-source | 20:59 |
| HarryHaaren | yup. | 20:59 |
| Anchakor | I'm not sure what you meant then | 20:59 |
| Anchakor | I guess it makes sense to showcase that it's possible to port VSTs to LV2 | 20:59 |
| HarryHaaren | i guess what I'm trying to say is that LV2 "shouldnt" care if the plugins are open-source or not really: its a plugin spec, and both open and closed plugins can co-exist peacefully. | 20:59 |
| HarryHaaren | I'd love to see LV2 as "the" (audio?) plugin standard, and do away with VST altogether | 21:00 |
| Anchakor | yeah, well I think those VSTs falktx ported are open source anyway | 21:01 |
| HarryHaaren | but that's my opinion. Since I'm doing OpenAV, I'm being careful to not promote myself more than others by doing LV2 publicity work. | 21:01 |
| HarryHaaren | Also, I love Pianoteq, and its available as LV2. Thanks Modartt guys, happy paid customer here! | 21:01 |
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| Anchakor | my idea about showing ported VSTs is in showcase is that it might look cheap to people like LV2 has no good plugins itself | 21:03 |
| HarryHaaren | that's a valid point IMO. its up to drobilla what he wants to showcase, I won't argue either way | 21:04 |
| drobilla | I would prefer native LV2s | 21:04 |
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| drobilla | Port screenshots that could literaly be a VST screenshot, not so great in this context | 21:04 |
| HarryHaaren | sure. Then unless somebody objects with a good reason, i think you have the powers to act? | 21:05 |
| drobilla | Especially when the UI is the work of another developer who hasn't even touched LV2 | 21:05 |
| HarryHaaren | screenshots of LV2 DSP code anyone? :D | 21:05 |
| drobilla | If by "act" you mean accept patches, then yes. | 21:05 |
| Anchakor | but of course it is good to let people new to lv2 to know in the first minutes that it's pretty easy to port some VSTs | 21:05 |
| falktx | well, the current calf screenshots are NOT from its lv2 versions | 21:06 |
| Anchakor | I noted this while all you were asleep and drobilla responded in similar way to the classic "give patch or I don't care" :) | 21:06 |
| drobilla | The current screenshots are the initial ones + a random selection of pretty things I did in 5 minutse | 21:06 |
| drobilla | The only purpose of which is to fill the box, and of course seed this increasingly insufferable bikeshed discussion | 21:07 |
| falktx | I can provide screenshots, but none of my stuff is not lv2-only | 21:07 |
| falktx | *is lv2-only | 21:07 |
| drobilla | That's fine. It's things like TAL that are more questionable. | 21:08 |
| HarryHaaren | I (as OpenAV) am hesitant to remove other peoples work; i don't wish to step on toes. That said, I am currently preparing screenshots of Fabla Sorcer and the ArtyFX Suite for you | 21:08 |
| falktx | all the juce-based stuff ? | 21:08 |
| drobilla | Send me better ones and I'll happily remove what I consider ugly and/or less appropriate | 21:09 |
| falktx | what about a collage? | 21:10 |
| falktx | like http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/screenshots/carla.png | 21:10 |
| drobilla | falktx: I just mean plugins created by non-LV2 developers for non-LV2 APIs | 21:10 |
| falktx | drobilla: all of mine fir that description | 21:10 |
| falktx | I don't do lv2-specific plugins | 21:10 |
| Anchakor | carla is a lv2 plugin now isn't it? :) | 21:10 |
| drobilla | I don't really care that much, but we clearly don't want a slideshow of 99% VST GUIs, for example | 21:10 |
| falktx | Anchakor: yes | 21:10 |
| drobilla | There is a difference between "LV2 specific" and straight ports | 21:11 |
| drobilla | falktx: Collages are fine, though that one's probably too big | 21:11 |
| falktx | tal was not vst specific to begin with | 21:11 |
| falktx | juce stuff is aax, rtas, au, vst2, vst3 and lv2 | 21:11 |
| drobilla | Alright, fine, whatever. | 21:12 |
| drobilla | I will curate whatever submissions I get so the distribution isn't extremely skewed to such things and there's no problem | 21:12 |
| HarryHaaren | drobilla, do you like the bitbucket push-pull thing, or prefer email? | 21:13 |
| falktx | fwiw you're free to use any screenshots from http://distrho.sourceforge.net/plugins and http://distrho.sourceforge.net/ports | 21:13 |
| drobilla | HarryHaaren: I have you added as a remote, that's fine | 21:13 |
| falktx | the dexed one is outdated | 21:14 |
| HarryHaaren | drobilla, cool. Pushed new screenshots to the content dir in latest commit | 21:14 |
| falktx | dexed looks a lot sexier now https://i.imgur.com/IB0IN0Y.png | 21:15 |
| drobilla | 640px width is ideal, for the record. Height doesn't matter given the vertical layout, but keep it reasonable... | 21:15 |
| drobilla | Dexed looks cool. I couldn't figure out how to build it | 21:15 |
| HarryHaaren | cool, 640px it is so. | 21:16 |
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| HarryHaaren | I really must get round to finishing Ninja... waste of a screenshot opportunity ;D | 21:16 |
| * HarryHaaren back to code | 21:16 | |
| falktx | drobilla: it's on distrho[-ports] repo | 21:18 |
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| AndreeeCZ | hi. I have come to know that you're looking for screens of working lv2 plugins? | 21:28 |
| AndreeeCZ | when is the deadline for that? | 21:28 |
| falktx | I don't think there's one | 21:28 |
| AndreeeCZ | what's the recommended unofficial deadline then? | 21:29 |
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| drobilla | Approximately 3 years ago | 21:32 |
| drobilla | http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/723.html | 21:32 |
| Anchakor | the .sig file link is a nice touch | 21:37 |
| drobilla | AndreeeCZ: It's just site. It can be improved at any time. The sooner the better. | 21:39 |
| AndreeeCZ | right right, i'll do it this weekend then | 21:40 |
| AndreeeCZ | do you require binary builds? | 21:40 |
| drobilla | AndreeeCZ: Feel free to invent your own synthetic deadline if it makes you feel better, or I can throw a dart at a calendar if you like :) | 21:40 |
| AndreeeCZ | yeah i need deadlines :) | 21:40 |
| drobilla | AndreeeCZ: binary builds... of a website? | 21:40 |
| AndreeeCZ | of the plugins | 21:40 |
| Anchakor | would be good if the plugins were searchable | 21:40 |
| Anchakor | AndreeeCZ: look at http://lv2plug.in/ | 21:41 |
| AndreeeCZ | is 'on github' searchable enough? | 21:41 |
| AndreeeCZ | wow very nice link | 21:42 |
| AndreeeCZ | i mean list | 21:42 |
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| Anchakor | I don't think it matters from the point of view of the lv2 site, there just should be some nice looking lv2 plugins showcased | 21:42 |
| drobilla | AndreeeCZ: other than the example plugins there currently aren't any binaries in lv2 proper (no libs, just headers) | 21:43 |
| drobilla | I am confused about this mish-mash of plugins and binary and screenshots and such though... | 21:43 |
| Anchakor | drobilla: would you have something against a plugin being showcased there which is obtainable only be mailorder on floppy disks? :) | 21:44 |
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| drobilla | Oh. If the question is, do screenshots require a binary of said plugin to be available, no, of course not | 21:45 |
| * drobilla doesn't publish binaries for anything at all, and neither do most upstream libre things | 21:45 | |
| drobilla | Anchakor: Well, as the set grows larger, I will cull it by priority. Proprietary will be low priority. | 21:46 |
| Anchakor | the screenshots won't even be linked to the plugin websites | 21:46 |
| Anchakor | AndreeeCZ: so if you want some free publicity for your work, the screenshot image is what you get :) | 21:47 |
| drobilla | Unless you feel like rewriting the gallery module to do that, anyway | 21:49 |
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| drobilla | I will be sure to hurt some feelings by culling the ugly as the set grows, but so it goes. Somebody has to do it. | 21:55 |
| drobilla | The sole purpose of the slideshow is to look pretty. People can expose their projects on the projects page | 21:57 |
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| rgareus | drobilla: care to merge the screenshots I posted earlier? | 22:58 |
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| * drobilla sighs, digs through the log | 23:00 | |
| rgareus | drobilla: try git pull https://github.com/x42/lv2-site master | 23:01 |
| drobilla | I am going to need to institute an 'n-best per project' rule | 23:02 |
| rgareus | drobilla: I just have too many projects :) | 23:02 |
| rgareus | but drop x42-tuna2.png | 23:03 |
| rgareus | drobilla: besides, this is already a best of :) `lv2ls | grep gareus |wc -l` returns 127 | 23:04 |
| Anchakor | hehe | 23:05 |
| rgareus | getting rid of the gtk/gl dups -> 87 | 23:05 |
| drobilla | Those variants seriously need to go anyway. | 23:06 |
| drobilla | We need to make proper multi-UI selection happen in hosts | 23:06 |
| rgareus | drobilla: I'll drop the gtk variant once the state of graphics card gets better. as it stands there are still people who have problems with openGL | 23:06 |
| rgareus | drobilla: the_CLA and his AMD card for example | 23:07 |
| rgareus | drobilla: also ubuntu regularly screws up things even to the point where glxgears does not work anymore. | 23:07 |
| Anchakor | I was suprised that driver support for opengl on windows is pretty shit | 23:08 |
| rgareus | it's already a compile-time option. falktx for example only packages the GL variant | 23:08 |
| rgareus | but kxstudio also gets openGL working right OOTB. | 23:08 |
| falktx | no, I don't touch gl | 23:08 |
| rgareus | falktx: which is probably smart. it just works | 23:09 |
| falktx | it's raw whatever-system-you-use | 23:09 |
| falktx | the issue with ubuntu are custom ppas not following ubuntu's patches | 23:09 |
| rgareus | falktx: oofus contacts me every time he does some ubuntu upgrade that breaks opengl. 3 times so far. | 23:10 |
| falktx | things get messy | 23:10 |
| falktx | later | 23:14 |
| *** falktx has quit IRC | 23:14 | |
| drobilla | rgareus: I just mean there really shouldn't be *plugin* variants for just different UIs | 23:28 |
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| drobilla | rgareus: merged | 23:42 |
| drobilla | It really sucks that basically the only universal graphics API is so flaky in practice | 23:43 |
| rgareus | drobilla: thanks | 23:44 |
| drobilla | I'll probably do a pugl/cairo example in LV2 once that's solid on all 3 platforms, it's so much clearer anyway. More useful would be use of actual toolkits, but that's kind of getting out of scope | 23:44 |
| drobilla | In completely unrelated news, git doxygen required to build the documentation correctly. Oh well. | 23:46 |
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