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| * falktx is getting close to find the culprits of all the "error: attempt to add quad with NULL field" prints | 19:16 | |
| falktx | http://eq10q.sourceforge.net/gate has a lot of those | 19:21 |
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| falktx | here's the full list of errors: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/repo/EyWhZ | 19:21 |
| falktx | http://drobilla.net/plugins/fomp/autowah is missing "fomp" define | 19:22 |
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| drobilla | falktx: Mine doesn't | 19:37 |
| drobilla | Yeah, I need to add source-file tracking to sord to be able to have a better message there, but it would have quite some overhead, and require an ABI change | 19:38 |
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| falktx | I see, fomp is fixed on latest svn | 20:00 |
| falktx | zita-reverb is now included which is nice | 20:01 |
| drobilla | Hm. Not in the NEWS, sloppy me. | 20:01 |
| drobilla | Suppose it's release time anyway | 20:01 |
| falktx | drobilla: it's on the news | 20:03 |
| falktx | * Add reverb and reverb_amb | 20:03 |
| falktx | drobilla: is it possible to add zita-at1 ? | 20:04 |
| falktx | if I remember correctly that was the request during LAC | 20:04 |
| falktx | by superdirt | 20:04 |
| drobilla | I meant the prefix fix | 20:05 |
| falktx | ah yes | 20:05 |
| drobilla | falktx: That one's quite different from the others. I did do some preliminary porting and sent the result to Fons | 20:05 |
| drobilla | Still needs work. | 20:06 |
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| rgareus | falktx: kudos for looking into this! | 22:30 |
| rgareus | to hell with unexpanded currys | 22:31 |
| falktx | rgareus: the worst offender is eq10q | 22:33 |
| rgareus | falktx: yeah I'm just skimming your page | 22:33 |
| rgareus | falktx: did you patch lilv or serd? | 22:33 |
| falktx | the LM forums? | 22:33 |
| falktx | rgareus: no, I added a print in carla during checkup, before calling lilv stuff | 22:33 |
| rgareus | falktx: the KVstudio paste that you linked above | 22:34 |
| rgareus | kxstudio, even | 22:34 |
| falktx | ok | 22:34 |
| falktx | I'm also doing a checkup on *all* the plugins on kxstudio | 22:34 |
| * rgareus avoids web-forum whenever possible | 22:34 | |
| falktx | just went through the fons stuff, great stuff | 22:34 |
| falktx | not a single issue :) | 22:34 |
| falktx | well, besides missing $(LDFLAGS) in the makefile | 22:35 |
| rgareus | falktx: fons has LV2s? | 22:35 |
| falktx | ladspa | 22:35 |
| falktx | rgareus: *all* the plugins mean *all* plugins | 22:35 |
| rgareus | his makefiles are somewhat particular | 22:35 |
| falktx | first I'll do the ladspa ones | 22:35 |
| rgareus | but all in all he does an amazing job | 22:35 |
| falktx | I'm going to get rid of the bad ones | 22:35 |
| rgareus | it makes sense to favor quality over quantity. | 22:36 |
| falktx | I didn't used to think that way. but now we have a good collection | 22:37 |
| falktx | so the bad ones can go now | 22:37 |
| rgareus | falktx: are you fixing the .ttls or just report it upstream? | 22:37 |
| falktx | drobilla had the fomp one fixed already | 22:37 |
| falktx | I just a pull request to blablack on github | 22:38 |
| rgareus | eq10q? | 22:38 |
| falktx | for eq10q not sure what to do | 22:38 |
| rgareus | the eq itsels is also not really great | 22:38 |
| falktx | I sent a patch to him once, but there hasn't been any new release | 22:38 |
| falktx | it's still broken by default for qt hosts | 22:38 |
| rgareus | I use eq10q occasionally for quick things where lv2fil has too few bands | 22:39 |
| falktx | zam-plugins has a 31eq plugin | 22:40 |
| rgareus | yeah but the band-overlap is not great with zameq | 22:40 |
| rgareus | it's a 1st order filter and not linear phase | 22:41 |
| rgareus | http://robin.linuxaudio.org/tmp/fobfilt.pdf red is what zameq does. the blue are various stages of a - yet to be released x42 plugin | 22:42 |
| rgareus | note the flat-top | 22:42 |
| rgareus | I discussed this with damo22 a few weeks ago | 22:45 |
| rgareus | drobilla: thanks for merging the OSX/cocoa embedding | 22:46 |
| rgareus | now we just need a QT enthusiast in the team to keep suil up-to-date. | 22:47 |
| rgareus | drobilla: have you ever tested win_in_gtk2 ? | 22:48 |
| falktx | I think I saw a screenshot of that once... | 22:49 |
| drobilla | rgareus: It has more or less worked a bit at some point in the past | 22:53 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Much easier to just post HUUR SUIL IS SHIT FUCK LV2 EMBEDDING IS DUMB all over the innertubes :P | 22:54 |
| drobilla | rgareus: y/w. Only stylistic changes, but totally untested by me | 22:54 |
| drobilla | I wish I had the time to do the serd/sord overhaul, break the ABI, and fix this error reporting thing (in most cases) among other thing | 22:55 |
| drobilla | Part of the reason I'm hesistant to break the sord ABI now for a pretty silly reason... | 22:55 |
| rgareus | drobilla: both falktx and ben_at_harrison tested it with various plugins (though AFAIK only binaries that I compiled) | 22:55 |
| * drobilla wishes he could push his research project towards RDF stuffs, but the advisor would never go for it | 22:55 | |
| drobilla | rgareus: Fair enough | 22:57 |
| drobilla | Suil has always been a design to isolate UIs and hosts, that's really my game. Filling in the specific boxes of how to do every part right isn't something I'm particularly keen on doing personally anyway | 22:58 |
| drobilla | Despite the pressure of dealing with all that UI bullshit being dramatically higher than sorting out all the more fundamental plugin issues we have. C'est la vie | 22:59 |
| rgareus | it's indeed not the most interesting kind of work. | 23:00 |
| drobilla | pugl is kinda fun, though. | 23:00 |
| rgareus | but once in a while adding a new bridge... | 23:00 |
| drobilla | rgareus: What native OSX UIs exist? | 23:01 |
| rgareus | drobilla: pugl based ones :) | 23:01 |
| * drobilla is totally procrastinating marking fucking assignments | 23:01 | |
| * rgareus too | 23:01 | |
| drobilla | I still kinda wonder how doing pugl via the OSX equivalent of GLX would go instead of the ObjC stuff | 23:02 |
| rgareus | extended the PhD deadline to March'15 | 23:02 |
| drobilla | Particularly since inheriting from NSOpenGLView screws the Cairo stuff | 23:02 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Yeah, I'm.... not very optimistic about my deadline | 23:02 |
| * drobilla has once again failed to do his comprehensives this term | 23:02 | |
| rgareus | here are a few Cocoa native LV2's embedded via suil in ardour: http://robin.linuxaudio.org/tmp/A3_OSX_LV2_Cocoa.png | 23:03 |
| drobilla | rgareus: cool | 23:04 |
| rgareus | afaik all of falktx's DISTRHO plugins can be compiled as LV2 cocoaUI | 23:06 |
| falktx | yes, and the distrho-ports ones too | 23:06 |
| falktx | (made with juce) | 23:06 |
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| drobilla | Cocoa host would be neat, but I guess there's no real use for such a thing. | 23:12 |
| drobilla | Maybe one day if we can present all this stuff in a clearer package we'll make some inroads on other platforms, outside of Lignux expat projects... | 23:12 |
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| * drobilla dreams of a Gtk-free Ingen and Patchage, but all that menu and dialog stuff... | 23:13 | |
| falktx | gtk dialogs are awful :( | 23:14 |
| falktx | all the threads and processes it starts... ouch | 23:14 |
| drobilla | More awful these days than they used to be. Like most things G | 23:14 |
| rgareus | drobilla: heh, I was thinking of compiling jalv.gtk on osx. pugl in cocoa via suil in jalv.gtk :) | 23:14 |
| drobilla | rgareus: I think it works, though I don't keep the portability of jalv up like the libs | 23:15 |
| falktx | I could get qt4/5+cocoa working easily, qt has pre-made widgets for it | 23:15 |
| rgareus | drobilla: jalv works. | 23:15 |
| falktx | but not sure who would want this | 23:15 |
| rgareus | drobilla: and I did something that you don't want to know jalv.extui :) | 23:15 |
| * falktx runs | 23:16 | |
| rgareus | falktx: developers developers developers | 23:16 |
| rgareus | falktx: for testing LV2s in gdb or lldb, jalv is great | 23:16 |
| falktx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE developers! | 23:16 |
| falktx | rgareus: I prefer carla myself | 23:18 |
| drobilla | rgareus: IIRC you sent it in. Big messy thing | 23:18 |
| rgareus | drobilla: nah that was just the first step. a patch for jalv.gtk to also open extui | 23:18 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Unless you mean show/hide which it should support properly as a fallback/option | 23:18 |
| drobilla | external-ui is dead to me. Not that it ever wasn't. | 23:18 |
| rgareus | drobilla: since I didn't want to bother actually linking jalv to gtk on OSX. I broke that out | 23:19 |
| * rgareus should switch to use show interface | 23:19 | |
| falktx | yes you should | 23:19 |
| drobilla | Ideally in suil if that's possible, but the API has no facilities for not actually embedding, so I'm not sure | 23:19 |
| falktx | rgareus: expose kx-extui as widget, and fallback to showinterface | 23:20 |
| falktx | rgareus: that way it works everywhere | 23:20 |
| * rgareus is still looking but has not yet found his box of infinite time again. | 23:20 | |
| drobilla | I suppose the hosts could check the type of the "widget" returned (is it a window?), but that's hairy and probably not all that toolkit portable | 23:21 |
| drobilla | Certainly the ideal, though. suil_give_me_any_ui_at_all_that_will_work | 23:21 |
| * drobilla mentally enumerates all the possible ways to quit this awful job and never have to mark again | 23:30 | |
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