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| falktx_ | we need a way to handle plugins with multiple formats | 08:35 |
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| falktx_ | ie ladspa + lv2 + vst | 08:35 |
| falktx_ | lv2 is the superior format, so I'm thinking the metadata needs a way to indicate replace old formats | 08:36 |
| falktx_ | dct:replaces <urn:ladspa:ID> is used in some plugins, but this is not in the official spec | 08:36 |
| falktx_ | plus DSSI doesn't use IDs | 08:37 |
| falktx_ | vsts (2) officially should use uniqueIds, although some hosts ignore this | 08:38 |
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| rgareus | falktx: I disagree that we need a way to handle plugins with multiple formats. | 14:45 |
| rgareus | mostly for political issues. | 14:45 |
| rgareus | supporting LV2 is best done by producing LV2 plugins only. | 14:46 |
| rgareus | if you truly think that "lv2 is the superior format". don't create any LADSPA and DSSI plugins. | 14:46 |
| rgareus | otherwise they'll never die off. and LV2 won't get the push it really needs | 14:46 |
| falktx | do you really think windows/mac users will use lv2? | 14:56 |
| falktx | I also don't think commercial apps will be much interested on lv2, even on linux | 14:59 |
| falktx | they usually come from win/mac where vst is the common format | 15:00 |
| rgareus | falktx: VST, maybe - but LADSPA & DSSI.. | 15:00 |
| rgareus | yet one of the biggest plugin vendors in the world embraced the ardour-codebase. I'm curious what they'll present next weekend at AES. | 15:02 |
| falktx | one of the biggest? | 15:03 |
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| falktx | rgareus: btw do you know if cairo is thread-safe? | 15:17 |
| falktx | trying to run zyn-lv2 on a separate ui thread in jalv I get random crashes | 15:18 |
| rgareus | falktx: yes, it is thread safe these days | 15:19 |
| rgareus | falktx: cairo > 1.12.10, pixman >= 0.30.2 and pango > 1.32.6 | 15:19 |
| falktx | the crash is a bit weird http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/paste/xWiH0 | 15:20 |
| rgareus | falktx: libX11 is not thread safe you need xcb | 15:20 |
| rgareus | falktx: but I don't know if that's the issue here | 15:21 |
| rgareus | maybe some missing Glib::thread_init() | 15:23 |
| rgareus | falktx: do you have a thread apply all bt ? | 15:25 |
| rgareus | n/m a segfault in pthread_mutex_lock. That must either be memory corruption or not some uninitialized mutex. | 15:27 |
| falktx | calling xinitthreads locks up | 15:28 |
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| drobilla | dct:replaces is indeed the property for that | 15:49 |
| * HarryHaaren waves to drob, Howya | 15:50 | |
| drobilla | threads in UIs is vastly more trouble than it's worth | 15:50 |
| drobilla | HarryHaaren: 'lo | 15:51 |
| HarryHaaren | drobilla, excited about the MOD project? | 15:51 |
| drobilla | well, threads that actually access the graphics API bits directly, anyway | 15:51 |
| drobilla | HarryHaaren: I confess to not having paid much attention to the kickstarter and whatnot | 15:52 |
| * drobilla is super mega busy | 15:52 | |
| drobilla | HarryHaaren: but yes | 15:52 |
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| HarryHaaren | well... I'm way excited :D Wouldn't it just be awesome to see LV2 on "hardware" on stage? | 15:55 |
| * HarryHaaren admits to LV2 fanboy-ism.. :) | 15:56 | |
| rgareus | HarryHaaren: hardware on stage sounds more like MOD | 16:07 |
| rgareus | 9 days left $8K to go on their kickstarter. | 16:08 |
| * rgareus crosses his fingers | 16:08 | |
| falktx | kickstarter requires all funds right? | 16:09 |
| HarryHaaren | rgareus, that's what I'm reffering to :D | 16:10 |
| HarryHaaren | yeah, they need all 65, that's final then yes. | 16:11 |
| falktx | why haven't you posted a link to it here yet? | 16:11 |
| HarryHaaren | Gianfranco (the lead guy) is going on a publicity tour around europe I think, so hopefully demoing and showcasing it around will get it over the line | 16:11 |
| HarryHaaren | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modduo/mod-duo-the-limitless-multi-effects-pedal/ ? | 16:11 |
| falktx | :P | 16:11 |
| rgareus | HarryHaaren: are you going to meet Gian? | 16:13 |
| HarryHaaren | rgareus, yup! He's coming over to ireland, and doing 2 talks, one in Trinity College Dublin, one in Uni of Limerick | 16:13 |
| rgareus | HarryHaaren: i heard he'll also preset at http://www.echosciences-grenoble.fr/agenda/experimenta-2014 | 16:14 |
| HarryHaaren | yep! And in Milan too IIRC. Busy man! | 16:15 |
| falktx | I don't know how these people handle the stress of all the trips | 16:16 |
| falktx | *travels? | 16:17 |
| rgareus | falktx: I don't understand how you can stay comfortably put in one place for so long. :) | 16:17 |
| falktx | I like peace and quiet :) | 16:17 |
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| drobilla | I kinda want a MOD, yet giving money to LV2 things....... I dunno. Kinda done my part, you know? :) | 22:33 |
| Anchakor | maybe you can arraga deal to get one for the manufacturing & shipping costs for the long term service to the community :) | 22:36 |
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