| * drobilla spends half his train ride fighting with LaTeX to draw a hierarchy | 00:31 | |
| drobilla | and now I know why I've never used tikz | 00:31 |
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| rgareus | drobilla: xfig! | 00:42 |
| rgareus | oldie but goodie | 00:43 |
| drobilla | rgareus: I usually just draw figures in ipe, but I got it working now | 00:54 |
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| falktx | errm, drobilla left | 01:55 |
| falktx | now I finished my pugl merges | 01:55 |
| falktx | rgareus: osx changes from harrison: https://github.com/falkTX/DPT/commit/f9356a084a9cddb1d7afb9b6bdd8fc9cd9f13d47 | 01:55 |
| falktx | this channel needs a bot | 01:56 |
| rgareus | he left 30 mins before you came | 01:58 |
| rgareus | falktx: this channel has a bot. | 01:59 |
| falktx | oh | 01:59 |
| falktx | hi LAbot | 01:59 |
| rgareus | falktx: and we're working on a log. | 01:59 |
| falktx | rgareus: can it "tell someone that" later? | 01:59 |
| falktx | like thelonius | 01:59 |
| rgareus | falktx: I suppose it can. | 01:59 |
| falktx | LAbot: tell rgareus this is a test | 02:00 |
| falktx | LAbot: later tell rgareus this is a test | 02:00 |
| LAbot | falktx: Error: "later" is not a valid command. | 02:00 |
| falktx | hmmm | 02:00 |
| rgareus | falktx: I got the tell message | 02:00 |
| falktx | in a PM? | 02:00 |
| rgareus | yes, 02:00 <LAbot> falktx wants me to tell you: this is a test | 02:00 |
| rgareus | I suppose I'll have to load the "later" plugin into supybot.. | 02:01 |
| rgareus | though tell should actually do that, too | 02:02 |
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| drobilla | falktx: k. I will pull some diffs and see what's left | 21:16 |
| falktx | oh hi | 21:16 |
| drobilla | I think there's some common OSX stuff in falktx and rgareus versions that aren't in trunk, though most of the Harrison things I though I did | 21:16 |
| drobilla | I am going to change puglCreate so that problem goes away, and that'll probably be pugl 1.0.0 | 21:17 |
| falktx | drobilla: I merged both harrison and rgareus changes in my version | 21:17 |
| falktx | drobilla: there's a "return YES;" in my osx code that should be "return NO;". I made that YES for a test only | 21:18 |
| drobilla | I have no Mac around anymore so I'll have to do that stuff blind | 21:19 |
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| falktx | drobilla: I did those in VirtualBox | 21:19 |
| drobilla | There seems to be a few other changes that aren't Harrison originated | 21:19 |
| drobilla | falktx: My image stopped booting for some reason :/ | 21:19 |
| falktx | I have some in puglProcessEvents() that I'm still not sure can cause issues or not | 21:20 |
| falktx | we spoke in email about it before, long time ago, but I never used the laptop osx86 after that | 21:20 |
| rgareus | falktx: which reminds me. Do you have the URL again for the OSX plugin that you want me to test? | 21:22 |
| falktx | hmm, I was using on the new pc yesterday... | 21:23 |
| falktx | rgareus: don't you have logs for yesterday on #lad ? | 21:23 |
| drobilla | I kind of want to waste some time doing an android port, and figuring out a good callback API that can deal with multi-touch scenarios (possible on many laptops these days, too) | 21:23 |
| falktx | drobilla: I want to waste time on a Haiku verison :) | 21:24 |
| drobilla | but you can't do that in one file like pugl_win.cpp or whatever, it's a bit messy | 21:24 |
| drobilla | falktx: even more wastey :) | 21:24 |
| falktx | drobilla: also, I think android only allows 1 window at a time | 21:25 |
| falktx | no modal stuff (which I use in my little "toolkit") | 21:25 |
| drobilla | falktx: Fine by me. Pugl itself doesn't have any windowey assumptions in it anyway | 21:25 |
| drobilla | It just so happens that you can make a bunch of views and make them top-level windows on some platforms | 21:26 |
| drobilla | (Glut has actual window stuff) | 21:26 |
| falktx | I have issues making pugl windows top-level on osx btw | 21:26 |
| falktx | keyboard events never get through | 21:27 |
| falktx | I seriously need to try and build a plugin in osx | 21:27 |
| HarryHaaren | falktx, this one? http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/nekobi-ui.app.zip | 21:28 |
| falktx | yes! it it works... | 21:28 |
| falktx | HarryHaaren: yeah, link is correct, thanks! rgareus^ | 21:28 |
| rgareus | falktx: I get a permission denied. | 21:28 |
| rgareus | falktx: -rw-r-xr-x 1 rgareus staff 555664 Jan 19 02:20 ./Contents/MacOS/nekobi-ui | 21:28 |
| falktx | chmod -R 777 *.app ? | 21:29 |
| rgareus | falktx: yes, after that it works | 21:29 |
| rgareus | falktx: must be the .zip thingy | 21:29 |
| falktx | rgareus: woot! cat moves, knobs work? | 21:29 |
| rgareus | falktx: cat runs | 21:29 |
| falktx | rgareus: yeah, I did the zip in a shared samba folder. should had it done in osx... | 21:30 |
| rgareus | falktx: dials also work. but waveform-switch -> crash | 21:30 |
| rgareus | falktx: uhm. how do I test sound.. | 21:30 |
| falktx | no sound | 21:30 |
| falktx | it's all UI | 21:30 |
| falktx | fake plugin, just to test graphics | 21:30 |
| falktx | rgareus: can you test the distrho about button too? | 21:31 |
| rgareus | falktx: the about window also does weird things | 21:31 |
| falktx | yeah | 21:31 |
| falktx | no idea how to fix that | 21:31 |
| falktx | rgareus: it's probably something bad in pugl osx code when opening several views | 21:32 |
| falktx | the same code works fine in x11 and win32 | 21:32 |
| drobilla | I only tested pugl_text, never several views, so it wouldn't surprise me | 21:32 |
| drobilla | pugl_test* rather | 21:33 |
| falktx | osx and objective-c is very weird... I can't stand it for too long | 21:33 |
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| rgareus | falktx: to me it's rather the opposite. once I got used to all those backets it's easy. | 21:34 |
| rgareus | falktx: but the first look at all that code always make me shdder. | 21:34 |
| falktx | I can't stand white themes anymore | 21:34 |
| drobilla | Strange language. An unholy hybrid of two that are, in themselves, alright | 21:34 |
| drobilla | But I'm not sure how much I can deal with the inter-breeding :) | 21:34 |
| rgareus | falktx: white-theme aversion? you probably work too much at nighttime :D | 21:35 |
| falktx | I like dark | 21:36 |
| drobilla | Too much eye-assault, all that white. I will never understand how some people code on white. | 21:37 |
| drobilla | White backgrounds are for Microsoft Word losers. :) | 21:37 |
| falktx | white is good on paper, black is good on screens :) | 21:38 |
| rgareus | falktx: There are various studies that show that white background on screen produces more readable text. | 21:40 |
| falktx | reading text is not an issue | 21:40 |
| falktx | tiring the eyes is | 21:40 |
| falktx | rgareus: my font is the smallest readable size actually, which is 7 here | 21:41 |
| rgareus | falktx: there are also a lot of personal or individual preferences... | 21:41 |
| drobilla | There are also various studies that show the opposite :P | 21:42 |
| falktx | well, my prefs are this: http://i.imgur.com/1FuVDTZ.png | 21:42 |
| rgareus | drobilla: for color? I don't think so. | 21:42 |
| drobilla | rgareus: With respect to eye strain at least, yes | 21:42 |
| rgareus | yuck an IDE. | 21:42 |
| * rgareus runs for the hills | 21:43 | |
| drobilla | Staring in to a bright white light emitting thing all day... kind of obvious, really | 21:43 |
| drobilla | I work on dark gray though, hard black is too much constract | 21:43 |
| falktx | drobilla: it's for python integration. I love auto-completion | 21:43 |
| falktx | errm rgareus^ | 21:43 |
| drobilla | Roughtly the dark version of this http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized but with non-bluey gray background | 21:44 |
| rgareus | drobilla: right. readability is a different issue | 21:44 |
| LAbot | Title: Solarized - Ethan Schoonover (at ethanschoonover.com) | 21:44 |
| rgareus | falktx: vim autocompletes all right. I suppse emacs can too. | 21:44 |
| falktx | for python? | 21:45 |
| rgareus | falktx: any language really. | 21:45 |
| falktx | somehow I doubt it | 21:45 |
| falktx | but anyway, I can't get myself to use vim | 21:45 |
| falktx | I had to memorize how to quit, it was a problem for far too long... :P | 21:47 |
| rgareus | falktx: easy. just don't quit :) | 21:47 |
| falktx | then I can't save the git commit! | 21:48 |
| rgareus | sing along: we can't, we won't, and we don't stop... | 21:48 |
| rgareus | falktx: you can call git from withing vim just fine.. | 21:48 |
| falktx | I prefer nano | 21:48 |
| rgareus | aah well, to each his own. | 21:48 |
| * drobilla uses magit, though it's a bit annoying at a few things | 21:49 | |
| drobilla | Mainly my usual keybindings for rapidly skipping through diffs don't work | 21:50 |
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