Monday, 2015-03-16

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aggraef_rgareus: jörn and me just started working here07:44
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rgareusaggraef_: say hello to nettings11:24
rgareuswe miss him on IRC11:25
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aggraef_rgareus: he'll be on irc shortly :)11:40
aggraef_rgareus: we got some compatibility problems between dvswitch and current ffmpeg versions11:46
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nettingsgood morning *11:50
rgareusnettings: ahoy.  long time no see11:50
rgareusnettings: how's life teating yo?11:51
rgareusu11:51
nettingsdvswitch is treating me badly. life is generally ok.11:51
aggraef_lets say dvswitch is broken :(11:51
rgareuswhat do you expect from zombie software :)11:51
nettingsat some point, it seems that scaling of dv got dropped from libav and ffmpeg. so no preview. then, non-deterministic segfaults when starting sources.11:52
nettingssometimes the source barfs,sometimes it eats dvswitch.11:52
rgareusnettings: give me a minute. I'll check what version of ffmpeg I used last year in May11:53
nettingseven with copious amounts of while : ; do pray; done , it doesn't feel like a workable approach...11:53
nettingsyou used that last year in KA? i thought they were doing something else then...11:53
rgareuswe didn't have a single crash back then. and I ran it a few days before cont'd .11:53
nettingshere, when it runs, it runs. but it crashes randomly on source creation...11:54
rgareusaah11:54
nettingssometimes, streams freeze,sometimes they don't start, it's quite dodgy indeed.11:54
rgareusbut no preview sucks11:54
rgareusbefore going too deep.  are there any viable alternatives?  e.g. https://github.com/timvideos/gst-switch ?11:55
rgareusor renting a HW mixer?11:55
nettingslooking at the latter option, but cost...11:56
nettingsgst-switch might be worth looking into, but i have never used it.11:56
nettingsi did have very bad experiences with fluendo in the past, but that was years ago.11:56
rgareussame here11:56
nettingsthe flow diagram to end all flow diagrams: http://code.timvideos.us/projects/gst-switch11:58
LAbotTitle: TimVideos.us Planet - Developers News (at code.timvideos.us)11:58
nettingslooks like it can directly boot into systemd :)11:58
rgareusthe trusted old streaming machine runs ffmpeg 1.0.6 and dvswitch from 2012-09-22 ("Add full-screen option" ) git da15ba4e12:01
rgareussee https://alioth.debian.org/plugins/scmgit/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=dvswitch/dvswitch.git;a=summary12:01
LAbotTitle: alioth.debian.org Git - dvswitch/dvswitch.git/summary (at alioth.debian.org)12:01
rgareusI've adde 2 fixups on top of that (for boost and the LAC sidebar layout)12:02
rgareusI can push that somewhere.12:02
rgareusoh dear, I wish the libav guys would just constrain themselves to libav and no mess up other projects by contributing to them12:05
nettingsmaybe i should try a downgrade.12:06
nettings :)12:06
nettingsdo you have any idea how much of gst-switch is actually implemented and reliable?12:06
rgareusnettings: no I don't12:06
rgareusnettings: is there ffmpeg or libav on the machine?12:07
rgareusnettings: ffmpeg --version12:07
nettingsaccording to the packet manager, it's ffmpeg, but i'll double-cehck...12:07
nettingsffmpeg N-70735-ge8374d712:08
nettings(current git)12:08
rgareusnettings: then try the last dvswitch before the 'libav'12:08
rgareushttps://alioth.debian.org/plugins/scmgit/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=dvswitch/dvswitch.git;a=commit;h=b33210c24385057a09be8099f0e20903e509443412:09
LAbotTitle: alioth.debian.org Git - dvswitch/dvswitch.git/commit (at alioth.debian.org)12:09
rgareusgit reset --hard b33210c24385012:09
nettings...12:09
rgareusnettings: can I ssh into the box?12:09
nettingsprobably yes. i'll find out. grab a coffee.12:10
rgareusnettings:  in different news: sekisushai (pierre l. will also come to lac) is building a 50 chan, 5th order ambi system here at CNAM.12:10
rgareusI listened to your old TIH session on it last week12:11
rgareusfirsth time I could actually hear it on an abisonics system12:11
rgareusa very nice sphere. just ~3 meters in diameter. where one person can step inside.12:12
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nettingsrgareus, sweet.12:15
nettingsrgareus, daniel is setting up a port forward (NAT box here...)12:15
rgareusnettings: it took us a while to understand the session and port setup to connect it to his encoder..  but your comments helped.12:19
rgareusnicely documented session.12:20
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nettingsthx....12:24
nettingsrgareus, which reminds me, i should re-do one for a3... or hold my breath for a4:-D12:25
rgareusnettings: it loads just fine in recent A3.  and hence will also for A4.12:27
rgareusnettings: pretty much all I did was   s/ardour2/ardour3/  in the start_session.sh12:28
nettingsbrb...12:28
nettingsrgareus, mail.12:36
rgareusnettings: one moment12:40
rgareusnettings: I'm in12:40
nettingsk.12:40
rgareusoops no12:40
rgareusReceived disconnect from 134.93.242.10: 2: Too many authentication failures for stream from 81.57.94.90 port 42160 ssh212:40
nettingschecking...12:44
nettingsrgareus, works for me. typo?12:45
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nettingsrgareus, do we know of anyone who has used gst-switch in production?13:08
nettingsrgareus, as is, is it worth looking at?13:08
rgareusnettings: I don't know anyone.13:11
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nettingsrgareus, trying to build it. who thinks -werror is a good idea?13:13
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falktx-Wall -Wextra -Werror13:22
rgareuslol13:22
falktxor if using clang:13:22
falktx-Weverything -Werror13:22
falktxit will even complain about documentation issues13:22
rgareusthat's like  -fdonteverusemeatall13:23
falktx-fdontbuildmycode13:23
nettingsrgareus, bbl, gotta check out the concert venue.13:23
rgareusnettings: have fun13:23
rgareusnettings: is it building now?13:23
rgareusnettings: or shall I check?13:23
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nettingsrgareus, back from tour, building now.15:31
rgareusquite a tour that must have been.15:33
rgareusnettings: how are the venues?15:33
nettingsconcert venue is very neat, but they are a little uptight about it :)15:37
nettingsdowngraded to your last-known-good revisions, but 1394 is still flaky. suspect juju issue...15:38
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nettingswhich firewire stack did we use at ccrmaß15:38
nettings?15:38
nettingsold stack seems to work better.15:50
nettingsrgareus, hacknroll space is amazing.15:58
nettingsrgareus, lecture halls are, well, old school :)15:59
nettingsrgareus, from a time when two ramsa speakers aimed at the emergency exists were considered "electroacoustics"15:59
nettings;)16:00
nettingsrgareus, we seem to be getting somewhere. 3.19, new stack, old ffmpeg, old dvswitch seems to work reliably.16:18
nettingsknock on silicon.16:18
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rgareusnettings: cool.16:25
rgareusnettings: I'll be AFK for a bit (Metro) but back later16:25
rgareusnettings: I can install dvmctrl (BCF2K -> OSC)16:25
rgareusbut that will be the easier part.16:25
nettingsI'll hopefully be able to do that, but yeah, it would be kind of reassuring to know you're available later :-D16:27
nettingsrgareus, now installing your neat little script zoo from ccrma.16:27
nettingsrgareus, we should have patented that. imagine: while: ; do windowsNT; done. we could have revolutionized the datacenter back in the late 90s....16:28
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rgareusnettings: how's it going?17:58
nettingsgetting there. reasonably stable, just that apparently one camera going down drags the other stream down, too.18:20
nettingsthinking of using two 1394 controllers...18:20
nettingsbut compared to where we started, luxury problems :)18:20
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rgareusnettings: I can look into generating trailers / title slates18:29
rgareusbut that also falls under luxury.18:29
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nettingsrgareus, do you still have the scripts in place to siphon those off of the openconf database?18:33
nettingsotherwise, definitely luxury.18:33
rgareusnettings: yes, the scripts to extract the data is the lac-site/tools   dir.18:34
rgareusthe video-generation is a separate custom c/ffmpeg app. I'll need JGU logos and banner or somthing18:35
nettingsah, nice.18:35
nettingsi'll find albert and ask him.18:36
rgareushe also wanted to check with the music-dept about a soundtrack (for the archive)18:37
rgareushttps://vimeo.com/album/1888676 has a few demos18:37
LAbotTitle: LAC 2012 Title Soundtracks on Vimeo (at vimeo.com)18:37
rgareusnettings: do you need these VP-314 magic DV repeaters?18:39
nettingsrgareus, logo coming tomorrow, says albert. fastest way is probably to just steal one from https://www.google.de/search?q=johannes-gutenberg+universit%C3%A4t&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ViMHVfWpLcXzUIaJgZAP&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg18:40
LAbotTitle: johannes-gutenberg universität - Google-Suche (at www.google.de)18:40
nettingsrgareus, yes, please, if it's easy for you to bring them. long cables, too?18:40
nettingsrgareus, the situation wrt to media gear seems pretty dire here...18:40
rgareusnettings: I only have one of them.  nando has two18:40
nettingsbring what you have, if possible.18:40
nettingswill ping nando.18:40
rgareusnettings: I don't have long cables.18:41
rgareusbut a few short cones 6 pin <> 4in18:41
rgareusand that FW 800 <> 400 adapter (from last may)18:41
nettingsrgareus, it looks like the network abstraction layer has seen some work, maybe we can use a satellite laptop and ethernet. see if we can lipsync it at least a little...18:41
nettingsbring it, i'll bring a bag of fw gear as well.18:42
nettingsrgareus, do you know if there's a way to force an audio sample rate in dvswitch? as it is now, the first cam wins...18:42
rgareusnettings: I'll arrive on Wed (night before) around 5pm or so.18:42
nettingssweet. i'll be there later at night, and then coffee and work until it works. which will be extra fun because i'm coming from vancouver time :-D18:43
rgareusnettings: I don't know. but IIRC we worked around this by making the 1st cam the title-slates.18:43
rgareusnettings: are you staying in the Univ Guest-house as well?18:44
rgareusvancouver.. mmh holidays or work?18:45
rgareusor new home?18:45
nettingsholidays mostly. new home, very maybe, in a very long time...18:46
nettingsre guest-house, yes18:46
rgareusnettings: since when do you drink coffee?18:48
nettings?18:48
rgareusI still recall you as the tea-drinker18:48
rgareuscoffee+cigarette  vs  tea + 5min break18:49
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nettingsah fsck.18:53
nettingsffmpeg2theora is not happy with the downgraded ffmpeg build...18:53
rgareus:(18:53
rgareusnettings: there was a statically linked version of it avail18:53
rgareusmaybe firefogg18:54
nettingsfirefogg?18:54
rgareusnettings: but really should we not use webm?18:54
nettingsrgareus, sure, why not.18:54
nettingsis there a good realtime, single-pass encoder?18:54
* nettings always used webm off-line...18:54
rgareustherw was ffmpeg2vpx8 or ffmpeg2webm IIRC18:55
rgareusnettings: can your icecast handle it?18:55
nettingsrgareus, probably not, but that's easily upgraded.18:55
rgareusnettings: alternatively a 2nd version of ffmpeg18:55
rgareusffmpeg these days can direcly stream webm to icecast18:56
rgareusnettings: I can compile a statically linked one.  actually the one we ship with ardour might be able to do it.18:56
nettingsok.18:56
rgareusnettings: I'll check I may not have enabled icecast in those builds18:56
rgareusnettings: do we need to do that tonight?18:57
rgareusffmpeg -i test.avi -f webm - | oggfwd localhost 8000 hackme /test.webm18:57
rgareus^^ does not need updated ffmpeg18:58
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rgareushttp://ardour.org/files/video-tools/harvid-x86_64-linux-gnu-v0.8.0.tgz  does include a statically linked ffmpeg18:59
nettingsok.19:00
* nettings is upgrading the relay...19:00
rgareusffmpeg 2.2.13 though but with vpx8/webm support19:01
nettingsrgareus, it may be that ffmpeg later versions might be fine after all. maybe i'll just move back to ffmpeg-git to see what happens. could be the dodginess is in dvswitch?19:03
rgareusnettings: sorry I was a away - making coffee :)    use a tagged version of ffmpeg-git19:14
nettingsrgareus, ffmpeg -i - -f webm... complains: "pipe:: Invalid data found when processing input". What gives?19:14
nettingsrgareus, still old ffmpeg, the version you mentioned above.19:15
rgareusnettings: for input pipes you need to specify the complete format19:15
nettingsffmpeg -f raw -i doesn't work, nor does -f dv. what's the secret?19:19
rgareusgood question.19:19
rgareusI'll try19:19
* rgareus looks for a .dv file to cat19:19
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rgareustry -f dvvideo19:20
nettingsunknown input format19:21
rgareushere   cat test.dv | ffmpeg -f dv -vcodec dvvideo -i - -f webm - > test.webm    works19:23
rgareusactually ffmpeg_harvid here19:27
nettingsyep, here,too.19:30
nettingsdvsink seems to do something weird to its output...19:30
nettingsdvgrab | ffmpeg -f dv works, but dvsink-command -h localhost -p 5675 | ffmpeg -f dv doesn#t19:32
rgareus dvsink-command   <misses a command>19:37
rgareus dvsink-command -h localhost  -- ffmpeg -f dv -f webm -19:38
rgareusfrom the zoo:19:39
rgareus---------------------------19:39
rgareusexec dvsink-command -- \ dvpiperespawn \ $HOME/bin/dvsink-icecast2-enc.sh \                                                                                                            | oggfwd -p -n "LAC 2012 Live" \ localhost 5900 XXXXXXXXX test.ogv19:39
rgareus---------------------------19:39
rgareuswhere  $HOME/bin/dvsink-icecast2-enc.sh  is19:40
rgareus-----------------------19:40
rgareusexec\ /home/rgareus/bin/ffmpeg2theora-0.27 \ -v 4 --speedlevel 2 \ --aspect 4:3 \ --title "Keynote" \ --artist "Fons Adriaensen" \ --date "2011-05-07 10:00:00" \ --location "Bewerunge Room, NUIM, Ireland " \ --organization "Linux Audio Conference 2011" \ --license "CC" \ -o - -19:40
rgareus-----------------------19:40
nettingsyeah, got it. looks like something changed in the way dvsink-command works its stdout... manpages from one version, binaries from the other... :)19:41
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nettingsok, works now. stupid dvsink semantics, ran into a bash parser issue...19:46
nettingsstream appears on the icecast, but corrupted. guess it needs updating to fix the timing...19:46
rgareusstreamer.stackingdvarves.org ?19:46
rgareusdwarves, even19:47
rgareusstreamer.stackingdwarves.net ?19:47
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nettingsrgareus, lacstreamer.stackingdwarves.net19:49
rgareusaah in classic orange19:49
nettingsrgareus, ah, of course, oggfwd will set the mime type wrong.19:50
nettingscosmetics is for later :)19:51
nettingsrgareus, icefwd? have you used it?19:54
rgareusnettings: no. I have no prior experience with it19:55
rgareuslast time I did webm streaming I used ffserver19:56
rgareusbecause icecast was not ready for it19:56
rgareushttps://github.com/Jyzee/icefwd/blob/master/icefwd.c reads fine19:57
nettingsah, i see.20:00
nettingsyeah, icefwd runs now. check the stream.20:01
nettingsdoesn't work in firefox, but i can open it with mplayer.20:01
rgareusmmh chrome does not like it it either.20:02
rgareusI think it's the timecode issue20:02
rgareushang on a sec I knew how to address that20:02
rgareusadd  -avoid_negative_ts 1   to the ffmpeg options20:03
rgareushttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868797#c1020:03
LAbotTitle: 868797 nestegg rejects WebM blocks with negative timestamps (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)20:03
nettingsack.20:04
rgareusor maybe we need to get rid of the dv  timecode alltogether somehow20:04
rgareusI see you :)20:05
nettingsi have audio in firefox, but video looks like it's buffering.20:05
rgareuswhere are you actually? is that albert's home?20:06
nettings4+ secs latency.20:06
nettingsMIDI lab at JGU.20:06
rgareusaah ich seh aggraef gespiegelt im fenster20:07
nettingsrgareus, how to filter the timecode?20:07
rgareusi don't know  yet.20:08
nettingsrgareus, also, i have no idea how to set the encoding options for webm...20:08
rgareuschrome on OSX does not like it either:(20:08
nettingsrgareus, that would be enough reason for me to revert to theora. having native browser support is nice..20:08
rgareusyeah.20:09
rgareusat the moment I don't know how far away we are.20:09
rgareuscould be a simple option  and webm flies.   or could be more20:10
rgareusffplay also plays it.20:10
rgareusbut it starts at 5mins   not at 00:00:00:0020:10
rgareussame problem http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2013-August/017118.html    unanswered20:12
LAbotTitle: [FFmpeg-user] webm video encoded with ffmpeg and streamed with ffserver doesn't play correctly in Firefox (at ffmpeg.org)20:12
nettingshmmm.20:13
nettingsdoes ffmpeg do theora output?20:14
rgareusyep20:14
nettingsthe manpage is kind of terse about supported codecs...20:14
rgareusffmpeg -codecs20:14
rgareusffmpeg ... -i    -f ogg -    # should do it20:15
rgareusi just checked. works here no need to explicitly request  -vcodec theora   format ogg has theora/vorbis as defaults20:16
rgareusffmpeg -f dv -vcodec dvvideo -i - -f ogg -b:v 800k  -   # for 800kbps  video bitrate20:17
nettingstheora stream is up.20:17
rgareus ..  -b:v 500k -b:a 64k  ..  for low-quality 64K  audio20:18
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rgareusno audio20:20
rgareusaah here it is20:20
rgareusbut I get a fixed image20:21
nettingschoppy here, too.20:21
rgareusA: 268.6 V: 234.8 A-V: 33.83620:21
nettingslet me check the options you suggested...20:21
nettingsah: audio: flac!20:22
nettingsso it does need acodec.20:22
rgareusdefault with just -f ogg here:20:22
rgareusOutput #0, ogg, to 'pipe:':20:22
rgareus  Metadata:20:22
rgareus    encoder         : Lavf55.33.10020:22
rgareus    Stream #0:0: Video: theora (libtheora), yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 25 tbn, 25 tbc20:22
rgareus    Metadata:20:22
rgareus      encoder         : Lavf55.33.10020:22
rgareus    Stream #0:1: Audio: vorbis (libvorbis), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp20:23
rgareus    Metadata:20:23
rgareus      encoder         : Lavf55.33.10020:23
rgareusStream mapping:20:23
rgareus  Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (dvvideo -> libtheora)20:23
rgareus  Stream #0:1 -> #0:1 (pcm_s16le -> libvorbis)20:23
rgareus[please excuse my pasting into the channel]20:23
rgareusbut it seems we're alone anyway20:23
nettingshere it was flac. now explicictly set acodec. check again?20:23
rgareusbetter20:23
rgareusstill stuck video frame20:24
rgareusI don't see you move at all20:24
rgareusmaybe it takes a while (large keyfeame interval)20:24
rgareusaah video works now20:24
rgareusI saw you move20:24
rgareushi20:24
nettingsweirdshit. very choppy. no network congestion though.20:25
rgareusthere is a keyint option20:25
rgareusmmh I heard you typing. maybe 3-4 sec latency20:25
rgareusthat's not bad20:25
rgareushttp://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/install.html ?20:27
LAbotTitle: ffmpeg2theora (at v2v.cc)20:27
rgareushas binaries statically linked20:27
nettingsohmyfsckinggod.20:27
* nettings was testing the stream over his mobile data plan :(20:27
nettingsyay!!!!20:28
rgareuslol20:28
rgareuswell, LAC mobile20:28
rgareusyes we can.20:28
nettingswheeeee. it's going out of sync like crazy.20:29
nettingsnot funny.20:29
nettingsffmpeg2theora never did that...20:30
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rgareusnettings: both FF and chrome play the .ogv  so that's good20:32
rgareusand the image quality is a lot better now20:32
rgareusnot quite in sync20:32
nettings"not quite"?20:32
rgareusheh20:32
rgareus4-6 video frames20:33
rgareusa lot20:33
rgareushow about going back to ffmpeg2theora?20:33
rgareustrusted old technology.20:33
nettingsyeah, but ffmpeg dependency, doesn't build. remember?20:33
nettingsbut yeah, probably fixable.20:33
nettingscan ffmpeg rescale on-the-fly before going to theora?20:34
rgareusnettings: see the binary I linked20:34
rgareushttp://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/install.html20:34
LAbotTitle: ffmpeg2theora (at v2v.cc)20:34
rgareusnettings: yes you can scale   -s 400x30020:35
rgareusafter the input.  e.g     ffmpeg  -f dv -vcodec dvvideo -i - -s 400x300  -f ogg -20:36
nettingsah, static. neat!20:36
rgareusyep kudos to Jan Gerber.20:36
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nettingsrgareus, theora video keeps freezing,audio keeps running.20:45
rgareuswebm works now20:46
nettingsin thebrowser?20:46
rgareuswhat did ou do?20:46
nettingsnot here..20:46
nettingswith mplayer, yes.20:46
nettingsalways worked for me.20:46
nettingsah crap. firewire dodginess is back.20:53
nettingscorrupted streams. it's not the controller, we swapped it for another one already (both texas instruments)20:53
nettingsmaybe the cam. but both cams show the same issues...20:53
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nettingstheora is utterly borken in this chain.21:00
nettingsrgareus, funny: scaling makes very little difference in webm. the hq and lq streams are almost the same, despite lq having 1/4 the pixels...21:17
rgareusfixed bitrate?21:17
nettingsimplicit?21:18
rgareusnettings: what's the encoder line      Stream #0:0: Video ....21:19
rgareus?21:19
nettingsInput #0, dv, from 'pipe:':21:20
nettings  Duration: N/A, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s21:20
nettings    Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 28800 kb/s, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc21:20
nettings    Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 32000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1024 kb/s21:20
nettings    Stream #0:2: Audio: pcm_s16le, 32000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1024 kb/s21:20
nettingsutput #0, webm, to 'pipe:':21:20
nettings  Metadata:21:20
nettings    encoder         : Lavf54.59.10621:20
nettings    Stream #0:0: Video: vp8, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], q=-1--1, 200 kb/s, 1k tbn, 25 tbc21:20
nettings    Stream #0:1: Audio: vorbis, 32000 Hz, stereo, fltp21:20
nettingsStream mapping:21:20
nettings  Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (dvvideo -> libvpx)21:21
nettings  Stream #0:1 -> #0:1 (pcm_s16le -> libvorbis)21:21
nettingsdon't ask me about the duplicate audio stream....21:21
rgareus200 kb/s21:21
nettingsis that the default? i didn't set a CBR.21:21
rgareusprobably default, then21:22
rgareusffmpeg defaults keep changing.21:22
rgareusbut it may well be that it's 200 kb/sec regardless of size21:22
nettingslooks like it is.21:32
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nettingsargh. the streams are drifting out of sync like crazy.22:26
nettingsonly killing the sinks helps...22:26
nettingshmm. nothing helps.22:29
nettingsnot evenkilling the cams.22:29
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rgareusnettings: odd. we never had that before22:34
rgareusnettings: which revision of dvswitch are you using now?22:35
rgareusnettings: git describe22:35
nettings0.8.1-1-11-gb33210c22:40
nettingssorry, 0.9....22:40
nettingsthe rest is correct22:40
nettingsafter 10 minutes, several frames already. after an hour, unwatchable.22:41
nettingsgonna call it a day. I'll leave the machine running, to see if it's stable. feel free to play. the whole stuff has been started by ~/bin/startDV.sh, modified accordingly. dumpfiles are in /local/22:48
nettingsrgareus, you have sudo if you want it :)22:48
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rgareusnettings: thanks.22:55
rgareusnettings: are you staying in Mainz tonight?22:56
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