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| Llewelyn | falktx: I suspect you're far enough removed from the community not to have heard organically and that the individuals involved haven't bothered to contact you directly so here is a heads up. A Trusted User from the Arch Linux [Community] repository appears to be attempting to revive Arch Linux Pro Audio. | 18:08 |
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| Llewelyn | They are planning to include binary packages of Carla and Cadence in the [Community] repository for users wanting to build audio production focused systems. | 18:09 |
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| JackWinter | Llewelyn: and hopefully a lot more binaries than that | 18:12 |
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| Llewelyn | The Trusted User behind the effort appears to have some animosity towards the legacy flowcanvas library and by extension LADISH. Consequently the plans are to release a binary package of Cadence without Claudia. | 18:13 |
| Llewelyn | gnav based tools appear to have been selected to fill this gap. | 18:13 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: A small list including jacktrip and the gnav based tools | 18:14 |
| JackWinter | hmm, no idea about that... want me to put you in contact with him? | 18:16 |
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| Llewelyn | JackWinter: With who? | 18:53 |
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| JackWinter | Llewelyn: the new arch TU that is bringing packages to the community repo | 18:54 |
| Llewelyn | Already have been. The user has been spamming the comments sections of my packages in the AUR with links to the mailing list... like my inbox isn't busy enough already | 18:55 |
| JackWinter | urgh, didn't know that | 18:59 |
| JackWinter | i had someone using the comments of a package as a mailing list too :( who knows maybe even the same guy | 19:02 |
| Llewelyn | Yea, I tried to politely communicate that if things were being imported all I really needed for notification was the deletion request. Spamming the same comments of my packages with your intent and links to a mailing list just fills up my inbox and notifications with junk... especially with it is the same copypasta for each notification. It seems to have fallen on deaf ears... perhaps the user is under the mistaken impression that end users visit the | 19:07 |
| Llewelyn | AUR and read the comments with any regularity. Personally I think if they wanted to notify end users of the change they should have put an announcement in the news section of the arch linux webpage. | 19:07 |
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| JackWinter | Llewelyn: what's the package in question? | 19:09 |
| Llewelyn | For me its is many... rtaudio and rtmidi first with jacktrip, carla and cadence to follow. | 19:12 |
| Llewelyn | Here is the most complete list I've seen posted to the mailing list of what is intended to be moved into community. https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-proaudio/2018-January/000039.html | 19:13 |
| LAbot | Title: [arch-proaudio] New [community] additions for 2018 (at lists.archlinux.org) | 19:13 |
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| JackWinter | Llewelyn: ah now i understand. but this is a good thing no? personally i don't know about flowcanvas and ladish as i never use it | 19:19 |
| JackWinter | i've been in touch with him and am happy that he's moving most of my packages to community. i suppose you can always maintain a different build in the aur with the extra stuff needed? | 19:20 |
| Llewelyn | Oh, I'm fine with things moving to community... not so much with spam in my inbox | 19:20 |
| JackWinter | in anycase i've been chatting quite a lot with him on irc, and he seems an ok guy, so if you have some issues i'm sure you can discuss them with him | 19:20 |
| JackWinter | you should have a look at what ralf did to the linux-rt comments :) | 19:21 |
| Llewelyn | My e-mail is rather an important communication line still and it drops audio notifications many of my devices. Having that blow up for no good reason is annoying. | 19:21 |
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| Llewelyn | JackWinter: Ahh... I've had that happen once or twice. More often than not it results from end users not wanting to deal with source signatures which explode into protracted security/usability discussions. | 19:24 |
| Llewelyn | Discord deciding to use libc++ has been the bane of my existence of late. | 19:25 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: LADISH is just another session management tool. Some users like it. It's not seen much recent development so it still uses the older flowcanvas library and not gnav which replaced it. Claudia extends LADISH and many users migrating from environments like KXStudio to Arch use it because it is familiar to them and they don't want to fuss with the other less integrated options available on Arch. | 19:39 |
| Llewelyn | http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications:Claudia | 19:39 |
| LAbot | Title: KXStudio : Applications : Claudia (at kxstudio.linuxaudio.org) | 19:39 |
| trebmuh | FWIW, ladish isn't maintained anymore by nedko but alessio has been maintaining it in its own branch | 19:40 |
| trebmuh | last commit date is april 2017 | 19:40 |
| trebmuh | https://github.com/alessio/ladish/ | 19:40 |
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| Llewelyn | Aye. Someone asked me to swap to that fork and I've considered it but the last release is dirty so I could only properly do a git package and the userbase hasn't really gotten behind that. | 19:42 |
| trebmuh | kind of the same (but last commit in 2016) for laditools https://github.com/alessio/laditools/ | 19:42 |
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| Llewelyn | Yea... it's the laditools package that one user was interested in as it have been updated to use python2-enum34 but alessio's release didn't seem to get all the changes so one was kinda left with my hands tied on the release package. | 19:51 |
| trebmuh | I don't know if that would be of any help for you but you might be able to pick upthe enum34.patch from the debian packaging here : https://sources.debian.org/patches/laditools/1.1.0-2/ | 19:55 |
| LAbot | Title: Package: laditools | Debian Sources (at sources.debian.org) | 19:55 |
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| Llewelyn | Well, if it works on the release I wouldn't have an issue adopting it. It would allow one to drop the python2-enum dep which can break if you install python2-enum34 as python uses that instead. One less thing to build from the AUR for the end users. | 20:24 |
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| Llewelyn | Tho if I understand the versioning that is a patch to alessio's laditools which already has that fix upstream and should just make a new release with the patch included. | 20:29 |
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